[PD] Nettles. Was: Cyclone: List of Issues with existing objects by Alexandre Porres

Fred Jan Kraan fjkraan at xs4all.nl
Wed Feb 17 19:33:24 CET 2016

Hi Alexandre,

> Howdy, if you understand only a part of it, I know that I know about
> nothing.
> But hey, as I understand it, there's quite some work to make it (loading
> the weird name objects without [declare]) happen and you'd rather focus
> on other fixes, cool.
> Well, I'm just starting using github
> https://github.com/porres/pd-cyclone
> <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fporres%2Fpd-cyclone&h=FAQF6upTy> and
> have mobilized others to collaborate with new objects for cyclone,
> according to that list I shared these days.
> You may have noticed a pull request already for [pong]. I'm working with
> someone else and we should be having scale / scale~ / atodb / dbtoa /
> atodb~ / dbtoa~ / trunc~ ready quite soon!

Yes, I noticed. I appreciate all you do for pd and cyclone in 
particular, but I cannot accept the request. Cyclone is one of the few 
libraries with a closed set of objects; only those part of Max/MSP, 
arbitrary set around version 4.6 or 5.

Cyclone is already quite big, with 150+ objects. This seems a good 
reason to be selective in which objects should be added. Just because 
objects are or should be in Max/MSP is not reason enough. If it exists 
in another library, it is unneeded IMHO.
> I can bother myself to try and deal with the issues regarding these
> objects, but I think a start could be to create new objects with the
> unweird names, this is not in conflict with Max compatibility, as it
> also loads these objects via the same way (again, they'd be:
> /greaterthan~ / greaterthaneq~ / lessthan~ / lessthaneq~ / equals~ /
> notequals~ / plusequals~ / rminus~ / rminus / rdiv~ /  rdiv / modulo~/).
> It wouldn't get in conflict with current state of cyclone either and the
> help files of these objects could refer to nettles and all. Cool? Later
> on in the game I can try and figure out how to load them without declare.

Personally I have no issue with [declare] as it is vanilla. Or with the 
weird names; if you want un-weird names, abstractions (containing 
[declare] should work too?
> cheers
> cheers


Fred Jan

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