[PD] Help Patches Layout

[Esteban Viveros]

Thanks Roman for explanations.. good trim the edges of naming things in
order to eliminate future confusion.

Ivica, I'm thinking in order to provide a relatively see and understand for
help patch user. Is really necessary expose a new user to this problematics?

I'm thinking which not every pd user must be a programmer (at least
initially), and probably be an artist... (perhaps), thinking this I
understand the principal goal of the user is to make thinks work, and to
use the send a message to this object he needs do use $1  $2 $3, if he use
$0 pd will do other thing.. So name outlets in Help from 0 require one more
step for who are learning many more steps...  (please correct me if I'm
wrong with regard to the behavior pd)

Finally, open and edit patch by patch I'm already doing.. Rename inlets and
outlets I can make like meditation! :P

I'm question for these because I know pdL2ork have other libraries and have
change something like this have consequences. But anyway, if needed I can
modify some more patches. :) Only it will have some time.

Cheers


Em qui, 17 de mar de 2016 às 13:26, Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu> escreveu:

> Here's my $0-cents worth. This is an eternal struggle in the world'o'comp
> sci. We need to wrap our heads around the fact that 0 is the 1st number in
> any kind of data container, whether it be value or ordinal position. Yet,
> as humans we prefer 1 to be that first number, reserving 0 as the special
> case value. So, you could make the case either way arguing for consistency,
> intuitiveness, aliens, whatever. Another consideration within the pd*
> ecosystem is that it is 0-centric, meaning things tend to start with $0
> (patch instance) before they get to $1. Then again, $1 refers to the first
> arg, so you could argue it may be inconsistent... etc. etc. etc.
>
> On the practical side, renaming inlets would mean going through every last
> help file and ensuring it has been updated accordingly, otherwise you would
> be just adding to more confusion as newcomers learn that some help files
> refer to the first inlet as 0 and others as 1...
>
>
> On 3/17/2016 11:49 AM, Esteban Viveros wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm with Porres in Cyclone maintenance working on revision of some Help
> patches.
>
> The question is: Why count inlets and outlets from zero if Pd user have to
> call inlets and outlets from $1 $2 $3... ? For help patch user don't be
> more convenient enumerate inlets and outlets starting at number 1?
>
> Cheers
>
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