[PD] Help Patches Layout

[Esteban Viveros]

I'm really really convinced maintaining actual numeration of inlets/outlets
in help patches in cyclone ever more.... Max use the same numeration. And
it really designed to be different of messaging numeration.

Thanks of everyone for patience :)

Em qui, 17 de mar de 2016 às 19:05, Ivica Bukvic <ico at vt.edu> escreveu:

>
> On Mar 17, 2016 2:03 PM, "Esteban Viveros" <emviveros at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> If you are determined to update all the docs to reflect this change,
> don't forget the PD_META which currently requires the use of 0 as the first
> inlet. Updating tooltips will also require changes accommodate for this
> alteration.
> >
> >
> > I did not attack me so... Rename in there have some implication? If no,
> I will start to rename...
>
> This is where tooltips pull their documentation information when you hover
> with your mouse over inlets, outlets, or the object itself. These changes
> will require changes in C, GUI, and may also affect compatibility between
> vanilla and pd-l2ork. My advice would be at this point not to worry about
> it and focus on other aspects until we think this through a little bit.
>
> >
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Ico
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3/17/2016 1:13 PM, Esteban Viveros wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Roman for explanations.. good trim the edges of naming things
> in order to eliminate future confusion.
> >>>
> >>> Ivica, I'm thinking in order to provide a relatively see and
> understand for help patch user. Is really necessary expose a new user to
> this problematics?
> >>>
> >>> I'm thinking which not every pd user must be a programmer (at least
> initially), and probably be an artist... (perhaps), thinking this I
> understand the principal goal of the user is to make thinks work, and to
> use the send a message to this object he needs do use $1  $2 $3, if he use
> $0 pd will do other thing.. So name outlets in Help from 0 require one more
> step for who are learning many more steps...  (please correct me if I'm
> wrong with regard to the behavior pd)
> >>>
> >>> Finally, open and edit patch by patch I'm already doing.. Rename
> inlets and outlets I can make like meditation! :P
> >>>
> >>> I'm question for these because I know pdL2ork have other libraries and
> have change something like this have consequences. But anyway, if needed I
> can modify some more patches. :) Only it will have some time.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Em qui, 17 de mar de 2016 às 13:26, Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico at vt.edu>
> escreveu:
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's my $0-cents worth. This is an eternal struggle in the
> world'o'comp sci. We need to wrap our heads around the fact that 0 is the
> 1st number in any kind of data container, whether it be value or ordinal
> position. Yet, as humans we prefer 1 to be that first number, reserving 0
> as the special case value. So, you could make the case either way arguing
> for consistency, intuitiveness, aliens, whatever. Another consideration
> within the pd* ecosystem is that it is 0-centric, meaning things tend to
> start with $0 (patch instance) before they get to $1. Then again, $1 refers
> to the first arg, so you could argue it may be inconsistent... etc. etc.
> etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> On the practical side, renaming inlets would mean going through every
> last help file and ensuring it has been updated accordingly, otherwise you
> would be just adding to more confusion as newcomers learn that some help
> files refer to the first inlet as 0 and others as 1...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 3/17/2016 11:49 AM, Esteban Viveros wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm with Porres in Cyclone maintenance working on revision of some
> Help patches.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The question is: Why count inlets and outlets from zero if Pd user
> have to call inlets and outlets from $1 $2 $3... ? For help patch user
> don't be more convenient enumerate inlets and outlets starting at number 1?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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