[PD] [clone]'s instance number

[Miller Puckette]

Cool, taking this suggestion.  At least for now it will work either way,
but it's much more readable with the abstraction name first so I changed the
help file to invoke it that way.

cheers
Miller

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 01:13:37PM -0400, Jaime Oliver wrote:
> Well, 
> 
> What would happen if instead of calling clone like:
> 
> [clone 16 my-abstraction 1 5 9]
> 
> we called it with:
> 
> [clone my-abstraction 16 1 5 9]
> 
> and then $1 seems quite appropriate.
> 
> ?
> 
> J
> 
> 
> 
> > On May 11, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Christof Ressi <christof.ressi at gmx.at> wrote:
> > 
> > I agree that $1 is most natural!
> > 
> > However, what about adding an additional flag -foo for [clone], which changes the way creation arguments are parsed?
> > Passing -foo could ignore the object ID and rather forward creation arguments just as they are.
> > 
> > This wouldn't break the current behaviour of [clone], but provide some functionality to deal with ordinary abstractions more conveniently.
> > 
> > Christof
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Mai 2016 um 18:06 Uhr
> > Von: "Ivica Bukvic" <ico at vt.edu>
> > An: "Miller Puckette" <msp at ucsd.edu>
> > Cc: "IOhannes m zmoelnig" <zmoelnig at iem.at>, Pd-list <pd-list at lists.iem.at>, "Christof Ressi" <christof.ressi at gmx.at>
> > Betreff: Re: [PD] [clone]'s instance number
> > What about having an if statement that detects clone object and if so, compensates for $2 discrepancy and assigns $1 to it instead and increments from there? This way the discrepancy is internalized as opposed to something user needs to deal with.
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> > On May 11, 2016 11:50, "Miller Puckette" <msp at ucsd.edu[msp at ucsd.edu]> wrote:I gave this some thought but couldn't come up with anything more natural than
> > the "$1" idea.  It allows for changing the other arguments more easily than
> > it would have been if the instance number were passed last.  Also, somehow
> > it felt more natural to have the instance number first.
> > 
> > If there's interest in the idea, I could add arrguments to change the
> > behavior (such as putting $1 last instead of first)...  Offhand I doubt that
> > would get used much though.
> > 
> > cheers
> > Miller
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 05:26:21PM +0200, Christof Ressi wrote:
> >> There's also a pitfall: additional creation arguments for the cloned abstraction will start with $2.
> >> For example, in [clone 16 my-abstraction 1 5 9] '1' will be parsed as $2, '5' as $3, '9' as $4 etc.
> >> No problem, if the abstraction was written for being used with [clone], but bad when cloning existing abstractions.
> >> 
> >> I'm wondering if there could be a way to get the abstraction ID without messing up existing abstractions... Maybe have a dedicated object?
> >> 
> >> For now, I think it's important to mention the parsing of additional creation arguments in the help file.
> >> 
> >> Christof
> >> 
> >>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Mai 2016 um 16:25 Uhr
> >>> Von: "IOhannes m zmoelnig" <zmoelnig at iem.at[zmoelnig at iem.at]>
> >>> An: pd-list at lists.iem.at[pd-list at lists.iem.at]
> >>> Betreff: Re: [PD] [clone]'s instance number
> >>> 
> >>> On 2016-05-11 16:18, Liam Goodacre wrote:
> >>>> Would it be possible to access [clone]'s unique instance number from within the patch, a bit like a creation argument? This could be used to achieve differentiation between the abstractions, ie. if the abstraction contains "tabread4~ $-1.array" and the $-1 is replaced with the instance number, then each instance could read a different file. Of course there are other ways of doing this, but it would be neat to do it with clone, and I'm wondering if there's a way.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> isn't this what $1 is already doing in clone's instances?
> >>> 
> >>> 
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