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On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 5:07 AM, Thor Thorrific <thorrific at gmail.com> wrote:

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> >    1. Re: deken install user experience (Dan Wilcox)
> >    2. Re: deken install user experience (Lucas Cordiviola)
> >    3. Re: deken install user experience (Lucas Cordiviola)
> >    4. Re: deken install user experience (patrice colet)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 11:36:01 -0600
> > From: Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com>
> > To: Max <abonnements at revolwear.com>
> > Cc: pd-list at lists.iem.at
> > Subject: Re: [PD] deken install user experience
> > Message-ID: <2BC5638A-617B-4B51-8C87-82867BBDB9E8 at gmail.com>
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> > Before the discussion on deken installing libraries for you goes super
> far,
> > we talked about this curing Chris’ initial deken development and,
> regarding,
> > auto-magically downloading dependencies:
> >
> > 1. Pd developer time is currently limited (Chris & IOhannes were
> basically
> > spitballing at that point), so the focus instead was put more on getting
> the
> > basics working, especially in binary lib upload, search, & install.
> >
> > 2. Auto-magic dependency was put into the “nice to have, but possibly a
> lot
> > of work to get right” pile as opposed to “must have" pile. If it turns
> out
> > to be trivial, then by all means someone can propose some code and we can
> > try it out (deken has it’s own GitHub repo after all).
> >
> > 3. There is no easy way around the pd-extended kitchen sink -> pd vanilla
> > barebones + libs transition, [declare] is the preferred way forward in
> that
> > regard. At least I thought that was agreed upon...
> >
> > IMO the much bigger issue right now is that we don’t have full coverage
> of
> > built external deken packages for all the main extended libraries for all
> > platforms yet. If we (I am!) are worried about priority with limited
> > resources, I feel this is much more important right now. We need a big
> push
> > of people essentially updating these main libs to the pd-lib-builder
> > makefile and then coordinating people on various platforms to build said
> > libs and upload deken packages. The makefile can do that as a makefile
> > target, so it’s relatively easy. After all, how can deken suggest a lib
> to
> > install when there aren’t that many libs in deken to being with?
> >
> > One of the great things about deken is that it helps decentralize the
> > kitchen sink. Now, we need everyone to grab a utensil and start
> scrubbing :)
> >
> > --------
> > Dan Wilcox
> > @danomatika <https://twitter.com/danomatika>
> > danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/>
> > robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>
> >> On Jun 9, 2016, at 4:00 AM, pd-list-request at lists.iem.at wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Max <abonnements at revolwear.com <mailto:abonnements at revolwear.com
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [PD] deken install user experience
> >> Date: June 9, 2016 at 3:00:27 AM MDT
> >> To: Roman Haefeli <reduzent at gmail.com <mailto:reduzent at gmail.com>>,
> >> pd-list at lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list at lists.iem.at>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2016년 06월 09일 17:33, Roman Haefeli wrote:
> >>> In my ideal world, I write a Pd project, make sure it properly declares
> >>> what it needs and then people who want to run my project find a list in
> >>> the documentation with the required externals (with no further
> >>> explanation how to do that and where to install). After installing the
> >>> externals from the list, my pd project runs on their box and is able to
> >>> successfully load the libraries. We're not there yet, see above.
> >>
> >> Or even better:
> >> the receipient opens the file, Pd realizes that it depends on not
> >> installed libraries, prompts "should Pd install the missing libraries x,
> >> y and z?" then she/he clicks yes or abort.
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 18:13:55 +0000
> > From: Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27 at hotmail.com>
> > To: "pd-list at lists.iem.at" <pd-list at lists.iem.at>
> > Subject: Re: [PD] deken install user experience
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> >> Sorry if I missed this, but what is the point of displaying>
> incompatible
> >> (wrong arch, wrong platform) Deken packages? What would be> harmed if
> >> they'd be hidden completely? I fail to see the advantage of> having the
> >> possibility of downloading a package of wrong arch/platform.
> > --like: preparing your patch for offline use on multiple archs, which
> > you--currently don't have access to.
> > Totally,
> > I distribute my patches with all needed externals included, for all
> > platforms, this way the user ONLY have to install pd and its ready to
> > listen. He/she just open the patch and it works, no need to deken or
> -path
> > or whatever, it just work.
> > I think its Ok that other platforms zips are grayed out.
> >
> >
> > Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 18:16:47 +0000
> > From: Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27 at hotmail.com>
> > To: "pd-list at lists.iem.at" <pd-list at lists.iem.at>
> > Subject: Re: [PD] deken install user experience
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> >   > Having deken proposing solutions for resolving missing patch   >
> > dependencies looks very interesting, it should save a lot of time to   >
> > users that want to collaborate on same patches from different machines.
> >
> >
> > One simple solution will be to have one zip containing all externals
> > (updated monthly?) this will be the most simple and interesting for new
> > users.
> > This will bring back the benefits of “extended”.
> > By benefits I mean that as a student you are exposed to the work of all
> > externals devs, it`s there, you open the browser and open zexy, cyclone,
> > ggee, etc.
> > With Vanilla you don't even know that there is a library of externals
> called
> > mpreach.
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 20:58:08 +0200
> > From: patrice colet <colet.patrice at free.fr>
> > To: pd-list at lists.iem.at
> > Subject: Re: [PD] deken install user experience
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> > Le 09/06/2016 à 20:16, Lucas Cordiviola a écrit :
> >>
> >> One simple solution will be to have one zip containing all externals
> >> (updated monthly?) this will be the most simple and interesting for
> >> new users.
> >
> > I don't know in this case how to avoid conflicts, sometimes I have to
> > remove mrpeach from path for having other externals to work, don't ask
> > me why because I don't know.
> >
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