[PD] New users and external path struggles

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

once again, check that github discussion
<https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/139> and see what you make of
it...


2017-07-30 15:33 GMT-03:00 Christof Ressi <christof.ressi at gmx.at>:

> > on a view against a consensus we seem to have here, in which a standard
> search path is not a place for externals,
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> but that's rather absurd. what is the use of a standard path if not a
> place where to put libraries? you described it beautifully in your HOWTO:
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> application specific standard path = only for this Pd installation
> user specific standard path = only for Pd installations of this user
> global standard path = for all Pd installations
>
> who actually disagrees with this?
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> user defined search paths are a nice feature but they have a serious
> disadvantage: you can't interface them with [declare], so it's not the best
> thing to use with libraries. I think this is important to remember!
> maybe this could be resolved by adding another flag to [declare] for user
> defined paths, like [declare -user myfolder]. this would be a very cool
> feature anyway!
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> ---
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> I think for experienced users the situation is fine. I'm really happy with
> Deken on Windows right now. The problem is rather that the standard search
> paths are awkward for beginners on Windows and OSX. They are either hidden
> or users don't have writing permission.
>
> personally I really think that the user specific standard path should be
> autocreated (by the installer and/or Deken) - like any other program does.
> when I install REAPER on Windows I automatically get a folder
> C:\Users\Christof\AppData\Roaming\REAPER
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> but I also like Alex' idea that Deken should always initially propose the
> user specific standard path and create it when you want to install there!
>
> sorry for being redundand but I think we have to find a consensus on this
> sooner or later, not necessarily for this release!
>
> Christof
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> Gesendet: Sonntag, 30. Juli 2017 um 19:27 Uhr
> Von: "Alexandre Torres Porres" <porres at gmail.com>
> An: "Christof Ressi" <christof.ressi at gmx.at>
> Cc: "Jesse Mejia" <jmejia at anestheticaudio.com>, pd-list <pd-list at iem.at>
> Betreff: Re: [PD] New users and external path struggles
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> 2017-07-30 14:06 GMT-03:00 Christof Ressi <christof.ressi at gmx.at[mailto:
> christof.ressi at gmx.at]>:
> So are there arguments against documents/pd as a standard search path?
> Let's stay clear from the autocreation topic for now.
>
> The arguments seem to be based on a view against a consensus we seem to
> have here, in which a standard search path is not a place for externals,
> and that it'd be the same as a "user added path". You can check the github
> discussion and see what you make of it.
>
> Anyway, I tried pointing it out in my first response to this thread, when
> I said: "you mention issues related to Pd's current "Standard Paths", given
> that it is clear to you that this is the best practice for externals.
> Surprisingly, that is not a consensus between developers. (...) "User added
> search paths" are not the same as a "standard path", I agree (...) That's
> also something I suspect is causing many confusion, which would be a notion
> that a "user added search path" would be exactly the same as a "standard
> path", but it isn't.
>
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