[PD] New users and external path struggles

[Miller Puckette]

Except perhaps in this thread I can try to explain... I always meant
"standard path" to refer to "stuff distributed with Pd", and "Path" to
be adjustible to point to libraries that are not part of the Pd distribution.
I think part of the confusion comes from different possible interpretations
of "standard path" (which, as I now realize, is badly named).  But I think
the way forward is to somehow get the "path" mechanism to do what people are
asking for.

cheers
Miller

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 03:46:38PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> once again, check that github discussion
> <https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/139> and see what you make of
> it...
> 
> 
> 2017-07-30 15:33 GMT-03:00 Christof Ressi <christof.ressi at gmx.at>:
> 
> > > on a view against a consensus we seem to have here, in which a standard
> > search path is not a place for externals,
> >
> > but that's rather absurd. what is the use of a standard path if not a
> > place where to put libraries? you described it beautifully in your HOWTO:
> >
> > application specific standard path = only for this Pd installation
> > user specific standard path = only for Pd installations of this user
> > global standard path = for all Pd installations
> >
> > who actually disagrees with this?
> >
> > ---
> >
> > user defined search paths are a nice feature but they have a serious
> > disadvantage: you can't interface them with [declare], so it's not the best
> > thing to use with libraries. I think this is important to remember!
> > maybe this could be resolved by adding another flag to [declare] for user
> > defined paths, like [declare -user myfolder]. this would be a very cool
> > feature anyway!
> >
> > ---
> >
> > I think for experienced users the situation is fine. I'm really happy with
> > Deken on Windows right now. The problem is rather that the standard search
> > paths are awkward for beginners on Windows and OSX. They are either hidden
> > or users don't have writing permission.
> >
> > personally I really think that the user specific standard path should be
> > autocreated (by the installer and/or Deken) - like any other program does.
> > when I install REAPER on Windows I automatically get a folder
> > C:\Users\Christof\AppData\Roaming\REAPER
> >
> > but I also like Alex' idea that Deken should always initially propose the
> > user specific standard path and create it when you want to install there!
> >
> > sorry for being redundand but I think we have to find a consensus on this
> > sooner or later, not necessarily for this release!
> >
> > Christof
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Gesendet: Sonntag, 30. Juli 2017 um 19:27 Uhr
> > Von: "Alexandre Torres Porres" <porres at gmail.com>
> > An: "Christof Ressi" <christof.ressi at gmx.at>
> > Cc: "Jesse Mejia" <jmejia at anestheticaudio.com>, pd-list <pd-list at iem.at>
> > Betreff: Re: [PD] New users and external path struggles
> >
> >
> >
> > 2017-07-30 14:06 GMT-03:00 Christof Ressi <christof.ressi at gmx.at[mailto:
> > christof.ressi at gmx.at]>:
> > So are there arguments against documents/pd as a standard search path?
> > Let's stay clear from the autocreation topic for now.
> >
> > The arguments seem to be based on a view against a consensus we seem to
> > have here, in which a standard search path is not a place for externals,
> > and that it'd be the same as a "user added path". You can check the github
> > discussion and see what you make of it.
> >
> > Anyway, I tried pointing it out in my first response to this thread, when
> > I said: "you mention issues related to Pd's current "Standard Paths", given
> > that it is clear to you that this is the best practice for externals.
> > Surprisingly, that is not a consensus between developers. (...) "User added
> > search paths" are not the same as a "standard path", I agree (...) That's
> > also something I suspect is causing many confusion, which would be a notion
> > that a "user added search path" would be exactly the same as a "standard
> > path", but it isn't.
> >

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