[PD] Fwd: Re: linux: "-font-size" startup flag -- does this work?

Roman Haefeli reduzent at gmail.com
Wed Sep 13 09:28:59 CEST 2017

Hey Alexander

I hear you and I am in the same boat.

On Die, 2017-09-12 at 21:50 -0400, Alexander Connor wrote:
> Thank you for these answers.  
> Editing the Pd text file wasn't really much of a solution for me
> since I'm dealing with a very large patch with many subpatches which
> would all have to be changed; I was really looking for a way to scale
> everything at once and back again should the need arise.

I guess the reason it is not a solution is because the available font
sizes don't match what you want. Otherwise I believe it would be worth
going through all of your patches. You can automate something like
this. IOhannes just gave you the first hint.

> However it would appear that there is basically no solution to this
> problem until font rendering is fixed.

Unfortunately, I think so, too.

> Guess I'll have to stick with my EOLs for now.  Too bad.  I really
> wanted to start distributing this patch.

I see. There is something nobody mentioned yet: You could also tweak
the font metrics in pd-gui.tcl. Obviously, this only fixes the
situation for your Pd installation, it wouldn't help if your goal is to
distribute your graphically sophisticated patches. I'm in the same
situation as you and I currently deal with it by fixing the font-
metrics for myself (which is not a viable solution, of course).

> I tried to mostly use the GUI object fonts that aren't affected by
> this in the "up front" user areas of the patch but there's a few
> areas such as the symbol boxes where you can't get around this.

Absolutely. [symbolatom \ is the only text input I know of in Pd and I
keep stumbling about the exact same problem. It'd help a lot already if
there is a symbolbox2 with configurable font similar to the 'Number2'

>    It completely  messes up the neatly spaced background "guts" that
> I set up to make it easier to read for anyone who wanted to make
> mods.   Lots of compact tightly aligned spacing going on.  As I said
> it's very large (been working on it for years) and reformatting just
> to correct for this error doesn't seem worth it especially if I have
> to switch it all back when (if?) the problem is corrected in Pd.

I, too, think it is probably not worth to fix this in your patches
_now_. Currently, the situation is still a bit messy. As of Pd 0.48,
patches are rendered the same on macOS and on Linux, but on both
platforms, patches looked different in earlier versions, so patches you
made for 0.47 are messed up now. Pd on Windows looks again very
different. The different available font sizes result in totally
different box sizes on Windows compared to macOS and Linux. Also, box
sizes depend on whether the font DejaVu Sans Mono is installed or not.
On macOS and Linux, this is already the default font and is shipped
with Pd, on Windows this is planned.

It is slightly frustrating not to be able to rely on some graphical
features in a graphical programming language.


> On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 14:03:24 +0000, Lucas Cordiviola
> <lucarda27 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > The OP is trying to use font 9.
> > 
> > He will get font 8 if he edit the the Pd-patch as a text file.
> > 
> > 
> > Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
> > 
> > On 9/12/2017 10:10 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
> > 
> > On 2017-09-12 14:55, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >   Or alternatively (but much less desirability) a variable to edit
> > within the text file
> > 
> > 
> > Nop.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > of course you can (if by "text file" you mean the Pd-patch):
> > 
> > ~~~sh
> > PTS=12
> > PATCH=patch.pd
> > sed -e "s/^\(#N canvas [0-9 ]*\) [0-9]*;$/\1 ${PTS};/" -i
> > "${PATCH}"
> > ~~~
> > 
> > gbsmdr
> > IOhannes
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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