[PD] Font-Metrics was:( linux: "-font-size" startup flag -- does this work?)

[Alexander Connor]

Yeah it took me a minute to figure out what Pdx was.  Thought it was some kind of a Pd font-testing app somebody had come up with at first...



On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 13:29:53 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres <porres at gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh, is this ever used in real life or just another abbreviation you came up
> with like "Pdx" :)
> 
> 2017-09-15 10:54 GMT-03:00 Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27 at hotmail.com>:
> 
> > In this thread I've used "EOL" for "End of line", mostly related to where
> > "Comments" ends. (without overlapping with things on the right).
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
> >
> > On 9/15/2017 8:27 AM, Alexander Connor wrote:
> >
> > Correct.
> >
> > This problem has only reared it's head in the more recent Debian-based distributions.  Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought it had to do with the newer rendering engines as they migrate to ever higher resolution. A rounding error due to the limited resolution accuracy of the old Pd GUI was it?  Or something else?
> >
> > BTW I'll try to do some more extensive comparison testing when I have time,  but the patches are super tight and it would be fairly obvious if it wasn't exactly on point.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:07:25 +0200, Simon Iten <itensimon at gmail.com> <itensimon at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > end of life?
> >
> > On Sep 15, 2017 01:54, "Alexandre Torres Porres" <porres at gmail.com> <porres at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > what is "EOLs"?
> >
> > 2017-09-13 11:20 GMT-03:00 Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27 at hotmail.com> <lucarda27 at hotmail.com>:
> >
> >
> > Hi Alexander
> >
> > As Roman mentioned the "pd-gui.tcl" and you surely made your patches with
> > Pdx, can you test tweaking the .tcl?
> >
> > To check if your patches render correctly?
> >
> > here's the How-to:
> > https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/wiki/Crossplatform-fo
> > nt-metrics-%26-comparisons
> >
> > Plans for this were mentioned by Dan a month ago:
> > https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2017-08/119967.html
> >
> > Independently of the "nuts and bolts" of the relevant code that's
> > different from Pdx my tests gave good results. In other words simply
> > changing the hard coded metrics makes patches render like Pdx (specially
> > EOLs).
> >
> > Can you test and give feedback?
> >
> >
> > Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
> >
> > On 9/13/2017 4:28 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
> >
> > Hey Alexander
> >
> > I hear you and I am in the same boat.
> >
> > On Die, 2017-09-12 at 21:50 -0400, Alexander Connor wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for these answers.
> >
> > Editing the Pd text file wasn't really much of a solution for me
> > since I'm dealing with a very large patch with many subpatches which
> > would all have to be changed; I was really looking for a way to scale
> > everything at once and back again should the need arise.
> >
> > I guess the reason it is not a solution is because the available font
> > sizes don't match what you want. Otherwise I believe it would be worth
> > going through all of your patches. You can automate something like
> > this. IOhannes just gave you the first hint.
> >
> >
> > However it would appear that there is basically no solution to this
> > problem until font rendering is fixed.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I think so, too.
> >
> >
> > Guess I'll have to stick with my EOLs for now.  Too bad.  I really
> > wanted to start distributing this patch.
> >
> > I see. There is something nobody mentioned yet: You could also tweak
> > the font metrics in pd-gui.tcl. Obviously, this only fixes the
> > situation for your Pd installation, it wouldn't help if your goal is to
> > distribute your graphically sophisticated patches. I'm in the same
> > situation as you and I currently deal with it by fixing the font-
> > metrics for myself (which is not a viable solution, of course).
> >
> >
> > I tried to mostly use the GUI object fonts that aren't affected by
> > this in the "up front" user areas of the patch but there's a few
> > areas such as the symbol boxes where you can't get around this.
> >
> > Absolutely. [symbolatom \ is the only text input I know of in Pd and I
> > keep stumbling about the exact same problem. It'd help a lot already if
> > there is a symbolbox2 with configurable font similar to the 'Number2'
> > widget.
> >
> >
> >    It completely  messes up the neatly spaced background "guts" that
> > I set up to make it easier to read for anyone who wanted to make
> > mods.   Lots of compact tightly aligned spacing going on.  As I said
> > it's very large (been working on it for years) and reformatting just
> > to correct for this error doesn't seem worth it especially if I have
> > to switch it all back when (if?) the problem is corrected in Pd.
> >
> > I, too, think it is probably not worth to fix this in your patches
> > _now_. Currently, the situation is still a bit messy. As of Pd 0.48,
> > patches are rendered the same on macOS and on Linux, but on both
> > platforms, patches looked different in earlier versions, so patches you
> > made for 0.47 are messed up now. Pd on Windows looks again very
> > different. The different available font sizes result in totally
> > different box sizes on Windows compared to macOS and Linux. Also, box
> > sizes depend on whether the font DejaVu Sans Mono is installed or not.
> > On macOS and Linux, this is already the default font and is shipped
> > with Pd, on Windows this is planned.
> >
> > It is slightly frustrating not to be able to rely on some graphical
> > features in a graphical programming language.
> >
> > Roman
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 14:03:24 +0000, Lucas Cordiviola<lucarda27 at hotmail.com> <lucarda27 at hotmail.com> <lucarda27 at hotmail.com> <lucarda27 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The OP is trying to use font 9.
> >
> > He will get font 8 if he edit the the Pd-patch as a text file.
> >
> >
> > Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
> >
> > On 9/12/2017 10:10 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
> >
> > On 2017-09-12 14:55, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
> >
> >
> >   Or alternatively (but much less desirability) a variable to edit
> > within the text file
> >
> >
> > Nop.
> >
> >
> >
> > of course you can (if by "text file" you mean the Pd-patch):
> >
> > ~~~sh
> > PTS=12
> > PATCH=patch.pd
> > sed -e "s/^\(#N canvas [0-9 ]*\) [0-9]*;$/\1 ${PTS};/" -i
> > "${PATCH}"
> > ~~~
> >
> > gbsmdr
> > IOhannes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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