[PD] Fw: Re: [PD-announce] Pd 0.48-1 test version released

Fri Dec 8 15:09:13 CET 2017

> And well, currently it is an option already. You can set it with a startup flag.

ah, right! forgot about that, thanks. 

> But my point is that I think it should have the same default option consistently accross platforms one way or another.

again, agreed.

Gesendet: Freitag, 08. Dezember 2017 um 14:00 Uhr
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An: "Christof Ressi" <christof.ressi at gmx.at>
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2017-12-08 10:30 GMT-02:00 Christof Ressi <christof.ressi at gmx.at[mailto:christof.ressi at gmx.at]>:

thanks. just to make sure: the font weight doesn't have any influence on the object sizes, right? in that case it would be only a matter of personal preference. maybe it could be an option in Pd?

what do you mean? Don't have any default setting and ask before hand what is the option the user wants? 

And well, currently it is an option already. You can set it with a startup flag.

But my point is that I think it should have the same default option consistently accross platforms one way or another.

cheers

> But anyway, this should be a new discussion with as much people involved as possible for the next release.

agreed.

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2017-12-07 12:04 GMT-02:00 Christof Ressi <christof.ressi at gmx.at[mailto:christof.ressi at gmx.at]>:

Now when I think of it, when I switched from Pd-extended to Pd vanilla a couple of years ago I was first annoyed by the bigger font size. So it's really just a matter of getting used to it. Just one question: on Windows (and also Linux?) the font weight defaults to bold (as opposed to Pd extended). Is this on purpose and is this the same on MacOS?

It is not the same at all on macOS! And this has also been a matter of dicussion here on the list. That is if we should get them all consistently the same. But before we deal with that, it was necessary to do this part of the process anyway. So after this we can make a decision on that. 

I'm arguing we should have them all with normal weight instead of bold by default. Because it'd be consistent also with Pd Extended and Purr Data. I find bold specially hard on the eyes when checking documentation and help files. I remember there were different points of view, as always, but not that much or strong rejection to making it normal weight. But anyway, this should be a new discussion with as much people involved as possible for the next release.

cheers

 wouldn't t is not on purpose, I'd say this happened 

Anyway, thanks for the great work!!!

> If everyone ends up hating this, we could just go back to Courier on all platforms. At least then we wouldn't have to ship a font....

or what about Comic Sans MS? :-p

Gesendet: Donnerstag, 07. Dezember 2017 um 14:40 Uhr
Von: "Dan Wilcox" <danomatika at gmail.com[mailto:danomatika at gmail.com]>
An: "Lucas Cordiviola" <lucarda27 at hotmail.com[mailto:lucarda27 at hotmail.com]>, "Christof Ressi" <christof.ressi at gmx.at[mailto:christof.ressi at gmx.at]>
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Yes, the sizes are a little smaller/tighter and come from Pd-extended. Things work best with DejaVu Sans Mono so rendering should be the same using the same font. For more info, see: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/159[https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/159]

If everyone ends up hating this, we could just go back to Courier on all platforms. At least then we wouldn't have to ship a font....
 Note: DejaVu Sans Mono is the default font but it's not currently shipped with or loaded by Pd on Windows yet. There is some extra work needed for this and it seemed important to fix the sizing issues on macOS first. I wrote up some info about the fonts in https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/font/README.txt[https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/font/README.txt]

Also, zooming now works for all guis, the inlets & outlets are the same height, lots of little drawing bugs were fixed (VU scale not completly hidden), etc etc etc.

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Hi Christof,

Yes this changes were totally intentional, and are for good IMO, now patches render the same on all platforms!.

They were well tested, see: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/227[https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/227]

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