[PD] Slider/Knob

[Antoine Rousseau]

Thanks Katja, I finally did something like that (this is kept in a separate
branch (show_io) for now):

when selected, the IOs and the outline are created; they remain until the
mknob is hovered (out of edit mode) or updated (value changed), while not
being selected.

This way, for example, selecting_all then deselecting allows to show every
mknob outline&IOs, until edit mode is switched off. Of course then the
artifacts remain visible (until you hover or update the mkobs), but I hope
this won't be too much annoying, and that the gain is greater than the loss.


Antoine Rousseau
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Le sam. 8 sept. 2018 à 17:53, katja <katjavetter at gmail.com> a écrit :

> On 9/8/18, Antoine Rousseau <antoine at metalu.net> wrote:
> > too bad, newclick(...) is never called when in edit mode...
> > so: no hovering detection when in edit mode, no way to (easily) detect
> edit
> > mode on/off switching... back to the starting point.
> > maybe i will... do nothing more ;-)
>
> You could use the select function in the widgetbehavior to draw /
> erase an outline with IOlets. A similar thing happens in
> iemgui/iem_event (although it only does an outline, no IOlets). So the
> outline + IOlets would appear when the object is selected. In
> my_canvas the select method is used to switch the outline color but in
> iem_event the rectangle is created when the object selected, and
> deleted when the object deselected.  Another option is to define
> IOlets which consist of outline only and switch outline width between
> 0 and 1 when (de)selecting.
>
> Katja
>
> >
> > Antoine Rousseau
> >   http://www.metalu.net <http://metalu.net> __
> > http://www.metaluachahuter.com/
> > <http://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/>
> >
> >
> >
> > Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 20:33, Christof Ressi <christof.ressi at gmx.at> a
> > écrit :
> >
> >> cool!
> >>
> >> > why not even showing outline and iolets as soon as the patch is
> >> > switched
> >> to edit mode?
> >>
> >> the only type of object inside the canvas which gets notified on
> editmode
> >> changes is T_TEXT (to toggle the vertical line on the right), so AFAICT
> >> it's impossible to achieve without nasty tricks (see
> >> iemguts/receivecanvas
> >> :-))
> >>
> >>
> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 19:39 Uhr
> >> Von: "Antoine Rousseau" <antoine at metalu.net>
> >> An: "Antoine at metalu.net" <antoine at metalu.net>
> >> Cc: "Christof Ressi" <christof.ressi at gmx.at>, Pd-list <
> >> Pd-list at lists.iem.at>
> >> Betreff: Re: Re: Re: [PD] Slider/Knob
> >>
> >> OK I just tried and mknob_newclick allows receiving hovering as you said
> >> before.
> >>
> >>
> >> Antoine Rousseau
> >>   http://www.metalu.net[http://metalu.net] __
> >>
> http://www.metaluachahuter.com/[http://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/]
> >>
> >>
> >> Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 19:32, Antoine Rousseau
> >> <antoine at metalu.net[mailto:
> >> antoine at metalu.net]> a écrit :
> >>
> >> I see; why not even showing outline and iolets as soon as the patch is
> >> switched to edit mode?
> >> But I must admit I don't know how to detect these events (object is
> >> hovered /or/ patch switches to /from edit mode). I'll try to find
> >> existing
> >> similar code, but maybe you have some pointers?
> >>
> >>
> >> Antoine Rousseau
> >>   http://www.metalu.net[http://metalu.net] __
> >>
> http://www.metaluachahuter.com/[http://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/]
> >>
> >>
> >> Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 19:20, Christof Ressi <christof.ressi at gmx.at
> >> [mailto:christof.ressi at gmx.at]> a écrit :> you mean like the little
> >> square of the canvas object?
> >>
> >> kind of, except that my_canvas only shows the square when the object is
> >> selected. of course that's also possible! my idea was to show it when
> you
> >> hover the object in editmode, so you don't have to explicitly select the
> >> object to see where to make the connections.
> >>
> >>
> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 18:43 Uhr
> >> Von: "Antoine Rousseau" <antoine at metalu.net[mailto:antoine at metalu.net]>
> >> An: "Christof Ressi"
> >> <christof.ressi at gmx.at[mailto:christof.ressi at gmx.at]>
> >> Cc: Pd-list <Pd-list at lists.iem.at[mailto:Pd-list at lists.iem.at]>
> >> Betreff: Re: Re: [PD] Slider/Knob
> >>
> >> a visual hint (i.e. draw the rect borders and the iolets)- but only when
> >> the user hovers over the knob while the glist is in editmode
> >>
> >> you mean like the little square of the canvas object? yes, I like the
> >> idea. I'll try this soon, thanks!
> >>
> >>
> >> Antoine Rousseau
> >>   http://www.metalu.net[http://www.metalu.net][http://metalu.net[
> >> http://metalu.net]] __
> >>
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> >> <
> http://www.metaluachahuter.com/%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/%5D%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/%5D%5D
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 17:31, Christof Ressi <christof.ressi at gmx.at
> >> [mailto:christof.ressi at gmx.at][mailto:christof.ressi at gmx.at[mailto:
> >> christof.ressi at gmx.at]]> a écrit :Hi, to be honest, I never found it to
> >> be a big problem. I'm not too sure about the three outlet solution, I
> >> think
> >> it's indeed a bit far-stretched :-) what I would suggest is to give the
> >> user a visual hint (i.e. draw the rect borders and the iolets)- but only
> >> when the user hovers over the knob while the glist is in editmode. you
> >> can
> >> do this in mknob_newclick.
> >>
> >> > iolets are floating in an empty space near the knob;
> >>
> >> yes, this looks a bit funny, but you usually won't have the cables
> >> visible
> >> in your final GUI anyway, so I wouldn't worry about that.
> >>
> >> Christof
> >>
> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 14:45 Uhr
> >> Von: "Antoine Rousseau" <antoine at metalu.net[mailto:antoine at metalu.net
> >> ][mailto:antoine at metalu.net[mailto:antoine at metalu.net]]>
> >> An: "Christof Ressi" <christof.ressi at gmx.at[mailto:
> christof.ressi at gmx.at
> >> ][mailto:christof.ressi at gmx.at[mailto:christof.ressi at gmx.at]]>
> >> Cc: Pd-list <Pd-list at lists.iem.at[mailto:Pd-list at lists.iem.at][mailto:
> >> Pd-list at lists.iem.at[mailto:Pd-list at lists.iem.at]]>
> >> Betreff: Re: [PD] Slider/Knob
> >>
> >> Thanks for recommending mknob ;-)
> >>
> >> I'd like to do an update of moonlib soon, as it has received some
> >> improvements: sfread2~ understands a new [index( message (thx to Antoine
> >> Villeret), and mknob now better supports zooming.
> >>
> >>
> >> About the latter, I'd like to hear your opinion (you all mknob users...)
> >> about the following problem (and the solution I propose):
> >>
> >> mknob poses a particular problem: because its circular shape doesn't
> >> comply to Pd graphical paradigm (every other objects are rectangular
> >> shaped), iolets are floating in an empty space near the knob; because
> >> it's
> >> visually ugly, and I don't want to surround the knob with a rectangular
> >> box, I chose not to draw the iolets, even when the mknob is not bounded
> >> to
> >> receive/send symbols. The problem (for explicitly connected  knobs) is
> >> now
> >> that it's somewhat tricky to guess where you have to draw the connection
> >> to/from, and that the wire connects to/from nowhere. This is acceptable
> >> for
> >> small knob, but when it becomes bigger it's really weird.
> >>
> >> So the only idea I see (apart from hacking Pd sources...) is to setup 3
> >> inlets and 3 outlets, so that you can connect from/to the one in the
> >> middle; the wire is then actually connected to the circle. I succeeded
> to
> >> code this behaviour, keeping to possibility to use any inlet and sending
> >> to
> >> the three outlets. It's maybe a little far-fetched, but its works. What
> >> do
> >> you think of it?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Antoine Rousseau
> >>   http://www.metalu.net[http://www.metalu.net][http://www.metalu.net[
> >> http://www.metalu.net]][http://metalu.net[http://metalu.net][
> >> http://metalu.net[http://metalu.net]]] __
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >> Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 13:05, Christof Ressi <christof.ressi at gmx.at
> >> [mailto:christof.ressi at gmx.at][mailto:christof.ressi at gmx.at[mailto:
> >> christof.ressi at gmx.at]][mailto:christof.ressi at gmx.at[mailto:
> >> christof.ressi at gmx.at][mailto:christof.ressi at gmx.at[mailto:
> >> christof.ressi at gmx.at]]]> a écrit :I recommend mknob from moonlib, but
> >> make sure you get the latest version from deken for pd >= 0.47
> >>
> >> Christof
> >>
> >> > Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 12:59 Uhr
> >> > Von: Clemens <reinklang at online.de[mailto:reinklang at online.de][mailto:
> >> reinklang at online.de[mailto:reinklang at online.de]][mailto:
> >> reinklang at online.de[mailto:reinklang at online.de][mailto:
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> >> > Betreff: [PD] Slider/Knob
> >> >
> >> > Hello List,
> >> >
> >> > I would like to use knobs instead of sliders,
> >> >
> >> > where can I find them?
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> >
> >> > Clemens
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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