[PD] patch scroll bars

Roman Haefeli reduzent at gmail.com
Thu May 2 19:51:47 CEST 2019

With the current scrollbar appearance logic, creating patches with
tight window margins is difficult. I experience similar issues to what
you describe on Linux. It seems the scrollbars make themselves
necessary only because they appear and then only disappear if you
significantly increase the window so that there is margin > scrollbar
width on each dimension. 

Because a netpd session consists of a quite high number of sometimes
quite small windows, a lot of screen estate is wasted with menus and
scrollbars. i gave up on trying to find the right margin to not trigger
scrollbar appearance. Instead, I'm using different aliases to run Pd,
one with kiosk-plugin loaded for performances, and another without
kiosk-plugin for editing. I must say, I'm quite happy with this
solution, but it also means that other people using my patches do have
to sometimes resize some windows because content gets covered by

Which makes me think: Why do we need menus when not in editing mode?
The Pd main window already shows everything that could be of use while
in run mode.


On Thu, 2019-05-02 at 17:23 +0000, Philip Stone wrote:
> Ah, I see that Roman and Dan Wilcox were discussing this back in
> September. It seems to be one of those thorny UI problems that is
> hard to solve.
> From: Philip Stone <pkstone at ucdavis.edu>
> Date: Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 9:48 AM
> To: "pd-list at lists.iem.at" <pd-list at lists.iem.at>
> Subject: patch scroll bars
> In the last few versions of Pd (on OS X at least -- I can’t speak for
> the other platforms), the behavior of patch window scrollbars seems
> somewhat confusing. It used to be easy to size a patch window so that
> there would be no scrollbars, but now I can’t figure out what the
> trick is to do that. Sometimes the scrollbars appear, sometimes they
> don’t. Resizing the patch window sometimes makes them disappear, only
> to have them re-appear on the next time the patch is opened.
> Has anybody else noticed this?
> Phil Stone
> UC Davis
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