[PD] A fifth IMMEDIATE YES from New Blankets [Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for PD (Iain Duncan)]

Thu Oct 22 18:07:16 CEST 2020

Pd also doesn't do "namspaces" so that reason holds for Pd as well.  ALSO,
the people at Stanford are very open-source-friendly so having S7 in Pd
will probably get some uptake there.

cheers
Miller

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 08:51:20AM -0700, Iain Duncan wrote:
> Thanks Brad and Joe. Brad, yes I found your work when I was doing research,
> and it was good validation that such a thing could work! I wound up going
> with S7 over Common Lisp as the embedding story is really simple, and I
> like the way S7 has CL macros but one simple namespace (similar to Clojure
> and Janet) which works nicely in Max.
> 
> iain
> 
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 8:35 AM Brad Garton <garton at columbia.edu> wrote:
> 
> > This sounds like a terrific project!
> >
> > I don't know if this is of interest, but I wrote a Common Lisp interpreter
> > object for Max/MSP awhile ago.  The interpreter was implemented in java, so
> > I'm not sure if it runs with contemporary Max/MSP-s (they dropped explicit
> > java support, but I've heard from some that it still works).
> >
> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://sites.music.columbia.edu/brad/maxlispj/__;!!Mih3wA!XHYP8qU-7B6AKNtBI2TzdG69ZAJ0T2B82BOkPQE62y3I2o3xgK5FpoMpgkjV$ 
> >
> > brad
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 7:32 AM Joe Deken <newblankets at newblankets.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Ian,
> >> (Allowing for time-zones and the dateline) I would eagerly like to be the
> >>
> >>         -- FIFTH IMMEDIATE HEARTY "YES" VOTE!? --
> >>
> >> From my own viewpoint, the introduction of LISP structures and capability
> >> into
> >> Pd would be seminal to new visions and vistas for Pd itself.  (I am warped
> >> by having conversations
> >> with Chris McCormick and other aficionados of Clojure, incorrigible years
> >> myself with emacs-LISP, and even -- when dinosaurs roamed the earth, with
> >> giants such as John McCarthy -- some small bit of tme of my own in his
> >> shop and among his disciples at CSAIL.
> >>
> >> Lest my mind wander (further), I'll say this more concretely: New Blankets
> >> is happy to offer resources
> >> for your efforts if such resources would turn out to be useful. (Not the
> >> dreaded "bounty" avenue -- I'm thinking more of something like a
> >> *Pd-Weekend* at my place here in San Diego (or at yours) --  Such PdW
> >> would be a "round workbench" session as Katja dubs  --  you could present
> >> your PdScheme work (when you're ready) to a hands-on group who would riff
> >> on your schemes  and move them forward.  At first attempt, this Pd-Weekend
> >> could even be virtual and open to all via round-workbench sessions at say:
> >>    --  https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://meet.jit.si/duncan_pd_scheme/__;!!Mih3wA!XHYP8qU-7B6AKNtBI2TzdG69ZAJ0T2B82BOkPQE62y3I2o3xgK5Fpjp937Hb$  --
> >>
> >> A personal plea ... hope you will include in your vision the wonderful
> >> ideas of Brian Harvey and his SNAP! visual-interfacing achievements. (Some
> >> antidote is needed with real LISP to counter the bogus infestation of
> >> Scratch! which seems to have taken pernicious hold world wide ...)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, October 22, 2020 1:34 am, pd-list-request at lists.iem.at wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>     1. Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for PD (Iain
> >> Duncan)
> >>
> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > > Message: 1
> >> > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:14:26 -0700
> >> > From: Iain Duncan <iainduncanlists at gmail.com>
> >> > To: pd-list at lists.iem.at
> >> > Subject: [PD] Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for
> >> >       PD
> >> > Hello, I'm the author of Scheme for Max, a relatively new open source
> >> external for Max/MSP that hosts an embedded Scheme Lisp interpreter
> >> using
> >> > S7, the Scheme implementation from Bill at CCRMA, also used in Snd and
> >> Common Music. The external allows one to do things like script and live
> >> code Max in scheme, including evaluating lisp code on the fly from files
> >> or
> >> > message boxes, sending messages to other objects, writing to and from
> >> common data structures, and interacting with the scheduler. I'm pretty
> >> excited about how well it's working for my purposes, and will be doing a
> >> new release this fall as part of my MMus at UVic, as well as turning it
> >> into a thesis project. I also intend to include full support for the
> >> Common
> >> > Music algorithmic composition toolkit (which also is programmed in S7
> >> scheme or SAL)
> >> >
> >> > I have been kicking around the idea of trying a PD port, and wanted to
> >> check whether this sounded interesting to folks in PD land. I like the
> >> idea
> >> > of port because it's always good to be have one's work usable on more
> >> than
> >> > one platform, and linux support would be good for low latency use cases
> >> and
> >> > things like running on small machines. I expect this would be a
> >> > significant
> >> > amount of work though, so figured I'd see if it sounded interesting to
> >> folks first.
> >> >
> >> > You can get the idea of how it works from the v1 demo video if you want
> >> to
> >> > see what I'm getting at. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErirIFCTdjg__;!!Mih3wA!XHYP8qU-7B6AKNtBI2TzdG69ZAJ0T2B82BOkPQE62y3I2o3xgK5FppmGcy9f$ 
> >> >
> >> > Comments, questions, feedback welcome.
> >> >
> >> > Iain
> >>
> >>
> >>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > Message: 2
> >> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:35:01 +0200
> >> > From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at>
> >> ...
> >> > so now that you ask: i think it would be great.
> >> >
> >> > gfadmsr
> >> > IOhannes
> >>
> >>
> >>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > Message: 3
> >> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 09:56:16 +0200
> >> > From: "Peter P." <peterparker at fastmail.com>
> >>
> >> ...
> >> > It would be great to have esp common list available in Pd as part of an
> >> open-source licensed external indeed.
> >> > ------------------------------
> >>
> >>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > Message: 4
> >> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:49:59 +0100
> >> > From: Andy Farnell <padawan12 at obiwannabe.co.uk>
> >> ....
> >> >
> >> > Would love to see Scheme come to Pd.
> >> > Thanks for that Iain.
> >> >
> >> > Andy
> >>
> >>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > Message: 5
> >> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 10:27:10 +0200
> >> > From: ub <ub at xdv.org>
> >> ....
> >> > i first met functional programming with fluxus and it turned my head
> >> inside out. %-)
> >> >
> >> > would be absolutely great to have that in pd!
> >> >
> >> > cheers,
> >> >
> >> > ub
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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