[PD] A fifth IMMEDIATE YES from New Blankets [Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for PD (Iain Duncan)]

Thu Oct 22 19:37:56 CEST 2020

One question occurs to me:  do you plan for multiple object
instantiations?  For my lisp interpreter, you can do that BUT all of the
instantiated objects in the patcher communicate with a single interpreter
(i.e. they can share data, symbols, etc.).  In some of the other objects I
did (rtcmix~, sc3~, chuck~) I allowed multiple patcher objects and each one
was a separate instance of the language.  There are costs and benefits both
ways, of course.

brad

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 8:51 AM Iain Duncan <iainduncanlists at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Brad and Joe. Brad, yes I found your work when I was doing
> research, and it was good validation that such a thing could work! I wound
> up going with S7 over Common Lisp as the embedding story is really simple,
> and I like the way S7 has CL macros but one simple namespace (similar to
> Clojure and Janet) which works nicely in Max.
>
> iain
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 8:35 AM Brad Garton <garton at columbia.edu> wrote:
>
>> This sounds like a terrific project!
>>
>> I don't know if this is of interest, but I wrote a Common Lisp
>> interpreter object for Max/MSP awhile ago.  The interpreter was implemented
>> in java, so I'm not sure if it runs with contemporary Max/MSP-s (they
>> dropped explicit java support, but I've heard from some that it still
>> works).
>>
>> http://sites.music.columbia.edu/brad/maxlispj/
>>
>> brad
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 7:32 AM Joe Deken <newblankets at newblankets.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Ian,
>>> (Allowing for time-zones and the dateline) I would eagerly like to be the
>>>
>>>         -- FIFTH IMMEDIATE HEARTY "YES" VOTE!? --
>>>
>>> From my own viewpoint, the introduction of LISP structures and capability
>>> into
>>> Pd would be seminal to new visions and vistas for Pd itself.  (I am
>>> warped
>>> by having conversations
>>> with Chris McCormick and other aficionados of Clojure, incorrigible years
>>> myself with emacs-LISP, and even -- when dinosaurs roamed the earth, with
>>> giants such as John McCarthy -- some small bit of tme of my own in his
>>> shop and among his disciples at CSAIL.
>>>
>>> Lest my mind wander (further), I'll say this more concretely: New
>>> Blankets
>>> is happy to offer resources
>>> for your efforts if such resources would turn out to be useful. (Not the
>>> dreaded "bounty" avenue -- I'm thinking more of something like a
>>> *Pd-Weekend* at my place here in San Diego (or at yours) --  Such PdW
>>> would be a "round workbench" session as Katja dubs  --  you could present
>>> your PdScheme work (when you're ready) to a hands-on group who would riff
>>> on your schemes  and move them forward.  At first attempt, this
>>> Pd-Weekend
>>> could even be virtual and open to all via round-workbench sessions at
>>> say:
>>>    --  https://meet.jit.si/duncan_pd_scheme/ --
>>>
>>> A personal plea ... hope you will include in your vision the wonderful
>>> ideas of Brian Harvey and his SNAP! visual-interfacing achievements.
>>> (Some
>>> antidote is needed with real LISP to counter the bogus infestation of
>>> Scratch! which seems to have taken pernicious hold world wide ...)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, October 22, 2020 1:34 am, pd-list-request at lists.iem.at wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>     1. Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for PD (Iain
>>> Duncan)
>>>
>>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> > > Message: 1
>>> > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:14:26 -0700
>>> > From: Iain Duncan <iainduncanlists at gmail.com>
>>> > To: pd-list at lists.iem.at
>>> > Subject: [PD] Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for
>>> >       PD
>>> > Hello, I'm the author of Scheme for Max, a relatively new open source
>>> external for Max/MSP that hosts an embedded Scheme Lisp interpreter
>>> using
>>> > S7, the Scheme implementation from Bill at CCRMA, also used in Snd and
>>> Common Music. The external allows one to do things like script and live
>>> code Max in scheme, including evaluating lisp code on the fly from files
>>> or
>>> > message boxes, sending messages to other objects, writing to and from
>>> common data structures, and interacting with the scheduler. I'm pretty
>>> excited about how well it's working for my purposes, and will be doing a
>>> new release this fall as part of my MMus at UVic, as well as turning it
>>> into a thesis project. I also intend to include full support for the
>>> Common
>>> > Music algorithmic composition toolkit (which also is programmed in S7
>>> scheme or SAL)
>>> >
>>> > I have been kicking around the idea of trying a PD port, and wanted to
>>> check whether this sounded interesting to folks in PD land. I like the
>>> idea
>>> > of port because it's always good to be have one's work usable on more
>>> than
>>> > one platform, and linux support would be good for low latency use
>>> cases and
>>> > things like running on small machines. I expect this would be a
>>> > significant
>>> > amount of work though, so figured I'd see if it sounded interesting to
>>> folks first.
>>> >
>>> > You can get the idea of how it works from the v1 demo video if you want
>>> to
>>> > see what I'm getting at. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErirIFCTdjg
>>> >
>>> > Comments, questions, feedback welcome.
>>> >
>>> > Iain
>>>
>>>
>>>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> > Message: 2
>>> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:35:01 +0200
>>> > From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at>
>>> ...
>>> > so now that you ask: i think it would be great.
>>> >
>>> > gfadmsr
>>> > IOhannes
>>>
>>>
>>>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> > Message: 3
>>> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 09:56:16 +0200
>>> > From: "Peter P." <peterparker at fastmail.com>
>>>
>>> ...
>>> > It would be great to have esp common list available in Pd as part of an
>>> open-source licensed external indeed.
>>> > ------------------------------
>>>
>>>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> > Message: 4
>>> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:49:59 +0100
>>> > From: Andy Farnell <padawan12 at obiwannabe.co.uk>
>>> ....
>>> >
>>> > Would love to see Scheme come to Pd.
>>> > Thanks for that Iain.
>>> >
>>> > Andy
>>>
>>>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> > Message: 5
>>> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 10:27:10 +0200
>>> > From: ub <ub at xdv.org>
>>> ....
>>> > i first met functional programming with fluxus and it turned my head
>>> inside out. %-)
>>> >
>>> > would be absolutely great to have that in pd!
>>> >
>>> > cheers,
>>> >
>>> > ub
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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