[PD] MIDI in vanilla?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Em seg., 26 de out. de 2020 às 13:47, Christof Ressi <info at christofressi.com>
escreveu:

> MAX also has wiggling cables, so...
>
> On a more serious note: Max/MSP is a full blown commercial production
> environment. You have video playback, graphics programming, a JavaScript
> interpreter, VST plugin hosting, etc. You can't really compare it to Pd
> anymore.
>

I agree, but [seq] has been there forever, before all that, before MSP I
believe.

> let's get rid of this idea that "vanilla only" is some kind of gold
> standard.
>
I'm taking care myself of about 600 externals (cyclone/ELSE/PSYCHO), so
yeah, I get that :)

I still thought MIDI File support was something that could be built in ;)
and I'm not all happy with the 2 externals around and thinking of investing
more on a third one :)

cheers


> Christof
> On 26.10.2020 16:31, Christof Ressi wrote:
>
> You mean as it is or with your PR?
>
> Generally, most non-trivial programming tasks are a pain to do in a visual
> programming language.
>
> I never used it because the organization of that help file scares me.
>
> Then let's improve the help file! I have never used [cyclone/seq], so I
> can't compare, but [midifile] has always worked fine for me.
>
> But MAX does.
>
> MAX also has wiggling cables, so...
>
> The idea of Pd has always been to keep the core as small as possible and
> extend it with externals/abstractions. Since we already have (at least) two
> decent MIDI file externals, why do we need to add it to the core?
>
> Being "vanilla only" is not some kind of merit - it just means the author
> is being afraid of using externals ;-)
>
> Christof
> On 26.10.2020 17:13, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>
>
>
> Em seg., 26 de out. de 2020 às 08:12, Christof Ressi <
> info at christofressi.com> escreveu:
>
>> I agree that we really need a way to read/write binary data. I have
>> already thought about doing a PR to add such functionality to graphical
>> arrays. It would be as simple as adding a flag to the [read( and [write(
>> methods.
>>
>> In theory, it would be possible then to implement a MIDI file
>> reader/writer as a Pd abstraction. But to be honest, I think only a
>> masochist would do that :-)
>>
> You mean as it is or with your PR?
>
>
>> On the other hand, mrpeach's [midifile] has always served me well and
>> it's one of those things that don't really get obsolete.
>>
> I never used it because the organization of that help file scares me. Does
> it have any advantages over cyclone/seq?
>
>> So I don't think that Pd really needs built-in MIDI file support. After
>> all, even a kitchen-sink language like Supercollider doesn't come with
>> built-in MIDI file support.
>>
> But MAX does.
>
>
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