[PD] [PD-announce] Camomile v1.0.8-beta

[Christof Ressi]

[pd~] takes a "-fifo <numblocks>" argument, which effectively determines 
the latency. And yes, plugin authors should add this to the plugin 
latency 
(https://github.com/pierreguillot/Camomile/wiki/How-to-create-new-plugins#latency)

On 13.01.2021 19:08, alfonso santimone wrote:
> If [pd~ ] adds additional latency i think this is potentially 
> problematic. if it is of some known quantity its value has to be sent 
> to the DAW for Plugin Delay Compensation. If it is unknown it can give 
> troubles.
> BTW i gonna make some tests in the next days to see how the whole 
> thing goes about [pd~ ] in Camomile.
>
> thanks!
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> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 4:26 PM Christof Ressi <info at christofressi.com 
> <mailto:info at christofressi.com>> wrote:
>
>>     I'm just trying to understand what is the difference and
>>     advantage of compiling camomile with externals
>     IIUC, externals are only possible via [pd~] (unless you directly
>     link the externals with Camomile, as is the case with
>     ELSE-Camomile). [pd~] obviously has some overhead and adds
>     additional latency.
>
>     On the other hand, I think it wouldn't be too hard for Camomile to
>     support externals out of the box, but they need to be compiled
>     with PDINSTANCE. Shipping them next to the actual VST plugin might
>     confuse some DAWs, so they should be placed in a well known
>     directory (which could be handled by an installer). This is what
>     "Waves" does on Windows: "%PROGRAMFILES%/VSTPlugins/Waves" only
>     contains the "WaveShell-VST.dll" shell plugins; the actual
>     plugins, libraries and resources reside in "Program Files
>     (x86)/Waves".
>
>     Christof
>
>
>     On 13.01.2021 15:31, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>>     Em qua., 13 de jan. de 2021 às 05:58, Pierre Guillot
>>     <guillotpierre6 at gmail.com <mailto:guillotpierre6 at gmail.com>>
>>     escreveu:
>>
>>         I'm not sure what do you mean by  "you can compile the
>>         vst/.au/whatever with it".
>>         If you want to distribute a plugin that use externals without
>>         compiling Camomile, I guess one solution would be to ship a
>>         Pd distribution with the externals in the plugin bundle and
>>         use the [pd~] object to start a process with this embedded Pd
>>         binary (that would be able to load the external). Or you can
>>         ask the user to install Pd and the required externals if you
>>         don't want to ship a complete Pd distribution with the plugin.
>>
>>
>>     I'm just trying to understand what is the difference and
>>     advantage of compiling camomile with externals, which is possible
>>     and we've already made that happen at least for the ELSE-Camomile
>>     => distribution https://github.com/emviveros/Camomile-ELSE
>>     <https://github.com/emviveros/Camomile-ELSE>
>>
>>     Not that we'll stop, now that we're here, we'll stay I guess :)
>>     but I just wanna make sure what's the motivation. And I guess the
>>     only difference is that you can ship/distribute/sell/give away
>>     just a single plug-in binary without Pd and anything 'else' ;)
>>
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