[PD] documenting messages to/from Pd and dynamic patching

[Dan Wilcox]

Howdy all,

My feeling on this is:

1. Recognize that, despite using "private" or "unstable" internal APIs, people have been using/abusing them for years. (So far, I feel we have been recognizing this by being careful not to break things, more or less.)

2. We should document all internal messaging, at least for the sake of developer documentation. If we lump "user space" and "internal" messaging together in an open manual, then they should be clearly delineated with special placed on emphasizing what things are more or less stable and what things are not. Then the user can decide how they want to proceed. I don't see a problem if people want to play with the internals on their own machine and crash Pd... that's half the fun for such activities anyway (learning).

3. We should get a poll of which internal messages are currently in use and consider which of these could be moved into "user space" and/or replaced by a better API. I believe this thread is already providing a good list...

4. Open a technical discussion on supporting "dynamic patching" officially. It's clearly very useful even if clunky through the current workarounds. Even with [clone] there are still many use cases...

> On Nov 28, 2021, at 12:25 AM, pd-list-request at lists.iem.at wrote:
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>> Subject:
>> Re: [PD] documenting messages to/from Pd and dynamic patching
>> From:
>> Christof Ressi <info at christofressi.com <mailto:info at christofressi.com>>
>> Date:
>> 27/11/2021 ? 17:01
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>> Two examples that come to my mind:
>> 
>> 1) [iemguts/canvasselect] allows to (de)select objects simply by 
>> index. No need to emulate mouse selection with "mouse" and "mouseup".
>> 
>> 2) canvases/objects can be moved around with [iemguts/canvasposition] 
>> resp. [iemguts/canvasobjectposition]
>> 
>> Are there any other use cases for "mouse" and "mouseup"?
>> 
> Hi. My 2 cents
> 
> Personally, I use mouse and mouseup messages to forward multitouch 
> events into the patch, received? from my multitouch linux laptop.
> 
> If those messages were blocked, all my multitouch ecosystem would be out 
> of order :-) .

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Dan Wilcox
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