[PD] Click Tracker - Version 2.3 is out!

Dudley Brooks dbrooks at runforyourlife.org
Sat Mar 12 17:52:56 CET 2022 

Hi, Joao.  Thanks for your response.

On 3/12/22 2:02 AM, João Pais wrote:

> Hi Dudley.
>
> I spent more than 10 years working on this, basically giving it away 
> for musicians who want to use it, and at no profit for me. I would 
> like at some point to be able to get some return on the time, and it 
> seems to me that the only option is to try to protect the source code.
>

I guess I should have suspected that it was for protection. Hindsight is 
golden ... especially now that I've been *told* the answer!  ;^)

But at the time I thought it was some glitch ... until a new version 
came out that was still scrambled, which just confused me.

> Regarding your comments:
>
> - the objects were "entagled" with jmmmp/jp.garble
>
> - I "might" have added some hundreds of non-useful objects to some 
> subpatches just to annoy anyone who tries to clean it up
>

I'll ratchet "annoy" down to merely "mystify".  ;^)

> - none of these are failsafe, but I only know how to program in Pd, so 
> it's the only protection I could think of.
>

Yeah, not failsafe, unfortunately, since I did manage to completely 
untangle it.  My apologies that I was unintentionally violating your 
desire for protection.

I have been OCD about untangling things, ever since I first learned to 
program, in Basic, and was dismayed by "spaghetti code".  (In fact, ever 
since I was a kid and my father showed me how to untangle a rope and I 
got mad because I hadn't figured it out myself.)  I started (or 
attempted) to write a program that would rewrite any Basic program 
de-spaghettified ... and decided that (1) it was beyond my programming 
ability; and (2) it was pointless anyway -- better to just use languages 
that didn't allow spaghetti.

Pd does allow spaghetti -- practically encourages it in fact!  (Not the 
obfuscation you used; just the typical Pd program with connections going 
every which way -- *almost literal* spaghetti!. But Pd is so useful that 
I still want to learn it.

Anyway, far from my original desire to see how the program worked, I 
became obsessed merely with the desire to see if I *could* untangle it!  
I'm sorry.

> If you're interested in how the Click Tracker works etc., I would 
> suggest to have a look at the paper I presented some years ago 
> https://www.uni-weimar.de/kunst-und-gestaltung/wiki/PDCON:Conference/Click_Tracker:_Performance/composition_tool_for_metrically_complex_scores 
> - most of it is still current.
>

Thanks.  I will take a look.

> Or to ask me directly. I doubt I will send you the original patch, but 
> I can answer questions in text.
>

Thanks.  Not necessary at the moment, but thanks for the offer.  I 
should clarify that I look at other people's programs not to learn how 
the *particular* program solves the *particular* problem but just to 
learn programming practices in general.

And thanks for all the work you put into an amazing program!  I hope you 
will get donations to reward you for that work.  (I'm not financially 
able to donate to *anything* ... senior citizen on a fixed income ... 
but I would if I could.)

Dudley

> Best,
>
> Joao
>
>
>> May I ask please: If you look at the various pd objects in 
>> ClickTracker using CTL-E, why are most of the objects all slammed 
>> together in one corner (and consequently all the wires "tangled")?
>>
>> I like to examine other people's Pd programs to learn more about 
>> programming in Pd ... so I once spent two full days completely 
>> untangling ClickTracker.
>>
>> And I discovered this in the main part of the program:
>>
>> [+ 1]
>>   |
>> [+ 3]
>>   |
>> [+ 5]
>>   |
>> [+ 1]
>>   |
>> [+ 3]
>>   |
>> [+ 5]
>>    .
>>    .
>>    .
>> [+  1]
>>   |
>> [+ 3]
>>   |
>> [+ 5]
>>
>> Or something lack that, with something like 195 objects (I forget how 
>> many) ... and with nothing connected to the first input, and the last 
>> output not connecting to anything.
>>
>> What is that about?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> I apologize.  I'm not at all complaining -- it's a great program!
>>
>> But I'm just totally mystified about why the insides of the program 
>> look like this.
>>
>>
>> On 3/11/22 3:17 AM, João Pais wrote:
>>
>>> Dear list,
>>>
>>> Version 2.3 of the Click Tracker is out.
>>>
>>> This version was generously supported by the Quatuor Bozzini 
>>> (https://www.quatuorbozzini.ca/), and reflects mainly improvements 
>>> gained from the perspective of the users.
>>>
>>>
>>> The new features are divided into 3 categories:
>>> Syntax features:
>>> - added meters with mixed denominators
>>> - added "x Y" command to repeat inputed events
>>> - added fermatas
>>> GUI features:
>>> - new GUI layout
>>> - removed "record" button
>>> - added reset button for pickup bar
>>> GUI features for the application and Max patch:
>>> - added file drop to open a score
>>> - change the window size to scale the contents
>>> - added new control keys g l t u, also combined with shift for reset
>>>
>>>
>>> As in the previous version, you can use in any of the following ways:
>>> - as an android app (https://bit.ly/click-tracker-mob or 
>>> https://bit.ly/clicktracker-playstore)
>>> - as a closed desktop app in windows 
>>> (http://bit.ly/ClickTracker2-3Win) or apple 
>>> (http://bit.ly/ClickTracker2-3Apple)
>>>
>>> Due to Apple's recent security settings, you'll need to allow the Pd 
>>> and other externals to run on your system.
>>> WARNING: M1 users will need to run the program with Rosetta.
>>>
>>> - as the traditional Pure Data patch (https://bit.ly/ClickTracker2-3)
>>> - as a Max/MSP patch in windows 
>>> (http://bit.ly/ClickTracker2-3MaxWin) or apple 
>>> (http://bit.ly/ClickTracker2-3MaxApple)
>>>
>>> For more information, refer to the Click Tracker's website at 
>>> http://j.mp/click-tracker.
>>>
>>> You can also visit the Click Tracker on facebook - 
>>> http://j.mp/clicktrackerfb, or check out the click track library in 
>>> http://jmmmp.github.io/clicktracker/index-library.
>>>
>>> With best regards,
>>>
>>> João Pais
>>> -- 
>>> Click Tracker Mobile -https://bit.ly/click-tracker-mob
>>> Click Tracker Website -http://j.mp/click-tracker
>>> Click Tracker Library -https://bit.ly/ClickTrackerLibrary
>>> Facebook -http://j.mp/clicktrackerfb
>>>
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