[PD] [hidraw] pre Deken release. was:(Reading/writing a HID device current best practice?)

[hans w. koch]

looks like you can „ask apple“ only if you are  "members of the Apple Developer Program or Apple Developer Enterprise Program“
furthermore topics are set to apples latest + shiniest
https://developer.apple.com/events/ask-apple/questions-and-answers/ <https://developer.apple.com/events/ask-apple/questions-and-answers/>

your proposed question is great: I would like to know how an open source project which relies on freely-shared plugins is supposed to exist on a platform that is making it harder on accessibility.
just apple doesn´t seem to provide a slot to ask it - they might have their reasons…

i could try to wrestle my institution into paying for a dev account, which i could open up to people like lucas.
another possibility would be a donated dev account - 100$ per year is like 2 beers per month. drink less, have more code :-) 
would that even be allowed by apple?

best
hans

> Am 11.10.2022 um 23:37 schrieb Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com>:
> 
> Looks like we could “Ask Apple”…
> 
> https://developer.apple.com/events/ask-apple/ <https://developer.apple.com/events/ask-apple/>
> 
> I would like to know how an open source project which relies on freely-shared plugins is supposed to exist on a platform that is making it harder on accessibility.
> 
> I have had a developer account for many years but that doesn’t mean I like jumping through these hoops after spending too long figuring them out. It would be nicer if you, as a user, could simply tell the system: “Pd can load whatever dynamic libs.”
> 
> It’s the same situation for other environments such as Max.
> 
> enohp ym morf tnes
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> Dan Wilcox
> danomatika.com
> robotcowboy.com
> 
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2022, at 8:01 PM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> You already have you answer: no code signing or notarization means users get the security popup when the dylibs are loaded but they just have to select open as far as I know. Gatekeeper asks them once, then the system remembers the selection. I believe it may also require changing a privacy setting in System Preferences to allow it.
>> 
>> I already added the "Disable library validation" entitlement back for the first Pd release for 10.15 which introduced the stronger security settings.
>> 
>> Also, I think calling them "thieves" is misleading. If you don't want to use the platform or the services which are provided with the developer account, don't. No one is forcing you. Please don't contribute to FUD.
>> 
>> You could simply provide the code and perhaps the make files to automate the process, then convince an institution to pay for the developer account license. I included this as one of my expenses for my last funded iOS project... :)
>> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2022, at 7:12 PM, Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27 at hotmail.com <mailto:lucarda27 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> @ Dan
>>> 
>>> Thanks for sharing this. I'll be digging about  ` you need an Apple Developer account (and Apple ID to sign up for one)`. If there's no workaround about the us$100 i'll be giving up notarizing builds. Do you know of a way to not send money to the thieves (if i'm not mistaken) ?
>>> 
>>> or to put it in another way:
>>> 
>>> if I don't codesign/notarize the builds: is just that users have an "open anyway" dialog? or is it a total "show stopper" that quits Pd?
>>> 
>>> Which way should I go without the $100 ?
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