[PD] Creating/editing patches on android?

[Matevz Leskovsek]

Well I kinda abandoned all desktop OS about 10 years ago, just running
chromiumOS everywhere now and patiently waiting for all runtimes to
become available in cloud :D Also I dont run crostini or crossover or
other any WM.. yes, its a simple life :D I just kept one windows
computer to run VSTs and OBS studio, otherwise chromebooks and android
devices for everything :) But I miss pd heavily... btw i saw your APK
builder for pddroid - awesome! Google wants aab bundles now though,
which is really annoying, so I guess we will abandon google play
eventually and use some alternative repo/installer. Anyhow, if someone
has an idea how to edit patches on stock android devices or on
chromebooks that would be great!

On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 12:52 PM Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com> wrote:
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> It depends on your workflow. For PdParty, you can stream *all* live sensor events over OSC while prototyping in desktop Pd, which is sufficient for my use case. Then again, I don’t use my mobile device as an everything computer, so I suppose I’m biased.
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> > On Feb 24, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Matevz Leskovsek <matevz.leskovsek at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Dan thanks! Yes your considerations are reasonable but sadly pd has
> > really lost its "livecoding" angle when Android/iOS devices became so
> > popular. Smartphones are portable and have so many sensors that
> > livecoding on android would really make much more sense than coding on
> > desktop and deploying to smartphone for each change. I hope there will
> > be some effort to rewrite pd-lib to run in stock android and I am
> > willing to help (although I am worst programmer ever.. I am kinda good
> > tester and profiler though). And if it is actually possible to run
> > pd-lib on rooted android that is interesting but I am somewhat
> > suspicious. If there is a linux container for androids that would be
> > easier I guess (but not so RAM friendly). Btw, I've noticed purrdata
> > js runtime for pd is available but again I think it does not allow
> > patch creation/editing, only patch running? Btw, pddroidparty webpage
> > is really nicely organised and clear in its communication -> much
> > respect! Thanks!
> >
> >> On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 12:21 AM Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> Howdy Matevz,
> >>
> >> I don't believe so, although I must include the caveat tat I do not use Android, so perhaps there is something out there I am not aware of.
> >>
> >> Running patches via libpd in a mobile app is much easier than creating a live, graphical *editor* as with desktop Pd as:
> >>
> >> 1. the interaction metaphors are different
> >> 2. libpd does not have a way to tap into the core pd editing logic (yet)
> >>
> >> That being said (written?), it's certainly possible to create something that can automate writing a Pd file which can then be loaded by libpd, however, once things complicated enough, you basically end up duplicating most of the core logic with the detriment that you have to carefully try to keep it up to date with whatever version of pd / libpd you are using. In short: it's a lot of thankless work that is best *not* done without lots of interest, resources, and support.
> >>
> >> The closest thing I can think of is rooting the device to install a Linux distro so you can run *desktop* Pd, however I don't think this is where your question is focused.
> >>
> >> As the author of PdParty, which utilizes libpd on iOS, I made a clear decision early on to *not* tackle on-device editing, mainly for the reasons mentioned above.
> >>
> >> On Feb 23, 2023, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request at lists.iem.at wrote:
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> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 10:44:58 +0100
> >> From: Matevz Leskovsek <matevz.leskovsek at gmail.com>
> >> To: pd-list at lists.iem.at
> >> Subject: [PD] Creating/editing patches on android?
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> >> Hi all, as I remember all those PD on Android platforms (mobmuplat,
> >> pddroid) only allowed running patches and not editing those, meaning
> >> that one needed a desktop computer to create and edit patches. Is this
> >> still the case or is it possible now to use Android device for
> >> creating and running pd patches. Thanks!
> >>
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> >> Dan Wilcox
> >> @danomatika
> >> danomatika.com
> >> robotcowboy.com
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