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Antonio Roberts
antonio at hellocatfood.com
Tue Nov 19 19:44:57 CET 2013
Addressing me on this? I didn't have a contract as I was just a tech
reviewer. Bryan Chung http://www.magicandlove.com/ is the author and the
one I presume had a contract
On 19/11/13 18:35, Julian Brooks wrote:
> Out of curiosity (and of course if there's anything sensitive in there
> then of course don't bother, but, I'd be really curious to see how the
> FLOSS contribution is worded in your contract? (I have an academic
> interest in these things)
>
> Regards,
>
> Julian
>
>
> On 19 November 2013 16:15, Skye Book <skye.book at gmail.com
> <mailto:skye.book at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Nice to hear there’s a PD book :)
>
> On Nov 19, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Antonio Roberts
> <antonio at hellocatfood.com <mailto:antonio at hellocatfood.com>> wrote:
>
> >> Really sorry for my laziness. I just opened it and saw your name!!¬!
> >> Listen, we're really grateful for your support. There aren't enough
> >> books about Pure Data programming out there, and I'm sure my
> students
> >> will find this really helpful.
> > That's why I agreed to do it. I think there's plenty of resources
> out there for PD music/audio programming but none dedicated to just
> visuals. The book was a bit too basic for my needs, but it would've
> been invaluable to me three years ago!
> >
> > Also, no need to thank me, I didn't write it! Regardless, I'm
> glad that you/your students will find it useful. I'm glad the book
> now exists, I just wish Packt were clearer on the whole royalties
> situation.
> >
> >> Once again, I think the person you need to talk to is Hans
> >> Cristoph-Steiner, but I am sure he'll read this thread.
> > Hopefully he will. Packt do a lot of books about open source
> software so I'll be interested in hearing if those projects get
> royalties/support as well.
>
> We’ve had some dealings with Packt for the jMonkeyEngine Beginners
> Guide
> [http://www.packtpub.com/jmonkeyengine-3-0-with-java-programming-beginners-guide/book]
> and have heard similar from them on contributing some royalties back
> to FOSS. The offer seemed quite real, though I don’t know anything
> in terms of sales numbers or if we’ve had any money find its way
> back to the project. I’d be happy to throw the question to the
> author though..
>
> We don’t have any sort of entity set up around jME so there was some
> discussion a while back about where that money should funnel as it
> would ultimately go towards hosting costs.
>
> >
> >> Nice to meet you Antonio, even if it was slightly cack-handed
> from my
> >> end ;-)
> > No harm done ;-) Out of interest, where do you teach?
> >
> > Antonio
> >
> > On Tue 19 Nov 2013 15:40:35 GMT, Ed Kelly wrote:
> >> Oh Man!
> >>
> >> Really sorry for my laziness. I just opened it and saw your name!!¬!
> >> Listen, we're really grateful for your support. There aren't enough
> >> books about Pure Data programming out there, and I'm sure my
> students
> >> will find this really helpful.
> >>
> >> Once again, I think the person you need to talk to is Hans
> >> Cristoph-Steiner, but I am sure he'll read this thread.
> >>
> >> Nice to meet you Antonio, even if it was slightly cack-handed
> from my
> >> end ;-)
> >>
> >> Ed
> >>
> >> Ninja Jamm - a revolutionary new music remix app from Ninja Tune and
> >> Seeper, for iPhone and iPad
> >> http://www.ninjajamm.com/
> >>
> >>
> >> Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics!
> >> http://sharktracks.co.uk/
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, 15:15, Antonio Roberts
> >> <antonio at hellocatfood.com <mailto:antonio at hellocatfood.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> > I have the book "Multimedia Programming in Pure Data" in front
> >> of me, published by Packt, by Brian WC Chung. No mention of
> >> Antonio Roberts!
> >> I'm one of the tech reviewers ;-)
> >>
> >> > Well in that case I apologise. Sorry Antonio, I didn't realise
> >> you'd
> >> > already published a book with them (blushing).
> >> I didn't publish the book, just did a tech review of it. As I
> briefly
> >> said in a comment in the G+ thread, it wasn't a bad
> experience but
> >> not
> >> a great one either. I considered it a good way to give back
> to the
> >> community (yes, I know you have to buy the book) and get my
> name "out
> >> there", but now that I've done it once I won't be doing it
> again and
> >> definitely not for them ;-)
> >>
> >> (on a separate note I'm also thinking about reviving the Pure
> Data
> >> Documentation Project)
> >>
> >> To me it seems like Packt are a legitimate business but aer
> telling a
> >> few porkies with regards to royalties
> >>
> >> On Tue 19 Nov 2013 14:24:23 GMT, Julian Brooks wrote:
> >> > Hey Ed (& Antonio),
> >> >
> >> > Well in that case I apologise. Sorry Antonio, I didn't realise
> >> you'd
> >> > already published a book with them (blushing).
> >> >
> >> > My first comment was more from a reading of the original
> link that
> >> > Antonio forwarded. And from that, Packt look well suss.
> >> >
> >> > There's certainly no shortage of dodgy publishers about
> (nor record
> >> > labels for that matter) - guess it depends on the deal you can
> >> wangle.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 19 November 2013 14:00, Ed Kelly <morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk
> <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk>>
> >> > <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk
> <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk> <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk
> <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk>>>>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > PS Antonio, nice favicon :)
> >> >
> >> > Ninja Jamm - a revolutionary new music remix app from
> Ninja Tune
> >> > and Seeper, for iPhone and iPad
> >> > http://www.ninjajamm.com/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with
> >> dynamics!
> >> > http://sharktracks.co.uk/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On , Ed Kelly <morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk
> <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk>>
> >> > <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk
> <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk
> <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk>>>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Damn - they changed Yahoo mail recently and I can't
> seem to
> >> > find it. However, www.hellocatfood.com
> <http://www.hellocatfood.com>
> >> > <http://www.hellocatfood.com
> >> <http://www.hellocatfood.com/>> does indeed seem to be genuine,
> >> > and Antonio does indeed seem to be a performer with
> >> multimedia
> >> > performer using Pure Data.
> >> >
> >> > This doesn't look like a hack, but "free money"
> should always
> >> > be treated with suspicion I'm sure.
> >> >
> >> > Probably the best way forward is for one of us to get in
> >> touch
> >> > with Packt publishing and request clarification.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Ed
> >> >
> >> > Ninja Jamm - a revolutionary new music remix app
> from Ninja
> >> > Tune and Seeper, for iPhone and iPad
> >> > http://www.ninjajamm.com/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now
> with
> >> > dynamics!
> >> > http://sharktracks.co.uk/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On , Ed Kelly <morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk
> <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk>>
> >> > <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk
> <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk
> <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk>>>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hmm. I couldn't get the post Antonio was
> referring to in
> >> > his email. This could be a very sophisticated
> form of
> >> > phishing I suppose. Apologies for my naivety!
> >> >
> >> > I have the book "Multimedia Programming in Pure
> Data" in
> >> > front of me, published by Packt, by Brian WC
> Chung. No
> >> > mention of Antonio Roberts!
> >> >
> >> > I'll just take a look at the header for the email and get
> >> > back to you. Let's not take too much time in
> dealing with
> >> > this.
> >> >
> >> > Ed
> >> > Ninja Jamm - a revolutionary new music remix app
> from
> >> > Ninja Tune and Seeper, for iPhone and iPad
> >> > http://www.ninjajamm.com/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data,
> now with
> >> > dynamics!
> >> > http://sharktracks.co.uk/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, 13:41, Julian Brooks
> >> > <jbeezez at gmail.com <mailto:jbeezez at gmail.com>
> <mailto:jbeezez at gmail.com <mailto:jbeezez at gmail.com>>
> >> <mailto:jbeezez at gmail.com <mailto:jbeezez at gmail.com>
> <mailto:jbeezez at gmail.com <mailto:jbeezez at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Is this some kind of so-dry-I-don't-get-it
> humour
> >> 'cos
> >> > they look well suss
> >> >
> >> > J
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 19 November 2013 13:21, Ed Kelly
> >> > <morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk
> <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk>>
> >> > <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk
> <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk
> <mailto:morph_2016 at yahoo.co.uk>>>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Wow!
> >> >
> >> > Is the Pd foundation up and running? I
> haven't
> >> > followed the news (if there is any)
> regarding
> >> this.
> >> >
> >> > Perhaps this is within your scope Hans?
> >> >
> >> > Ed
> >> >
> >> > Ninja Jamm - a revolutionary new music
> remix app
> >> > from Ninja Tune and Seeper, for iPhone
> and iPad
> >> > http://www.ninjajamm.com/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for
> Pure Data,
> >> > now with dynamics!
> >> > http://sharktracks.co.uk/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Monday, 18 November 2013, 19:53, Antonio
> >> > Roberts <antonio at hellocatfood.com
> <mailto:antonio at hellocatfood.com>
> >> <mailto:antonio at hellocatfood.com
> <mailto:antonio at hellocatfood.com>>
> >> > <mailto:antonio at hellocatfood.com
> <mailto:antonio at hellocatfood.com>
> >> <mailto:antonio at hellocatfood.com
> <mailto:antonio at hellocatfood.com>>>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > A representative of Packt Publishing
> recently
> >> > put out a call to
> >> > developers of open source software
> packages
> >> > that are covered in their
> >> > books to get in contact regarding
> royalties.
> >> > They claim that they give
> >> > money to the authors _and_ the
> project that
> >> > the book is based upon.
> >> > Text below:
> >> >
> >> > "I'm sorry that we haven't yet been
> able to
> >> > make this clear. I will
> >> > have this looked in to and revised for
> >> clarity.
> >> > But, to confirm, authors receive
> royalties on
> >> > sales of their books but
> >> > we also give a royalty, where the
> book is
> >> > based on an Open Source
> >> > software or system, to the Project.
> >> > I'm not at liberty to disclose the
> names of
> >> > projects that have
> >> > received this royalty, only that
> cumulatively
> >> > we have given out a
> >> > large sum of money to them.
> >> > Please also treat this as a call out
> to any
> >> > Open Source project that
> >> > we have published on to get in touch
> with me
> >> > should they not be
> >> > receiving their royalties, we can
> only send
> >> > them to you if we have
> >> > your details :) "
> >> >
> >> > Full thread here:
> >> > https://plus.google.com/113862800338869870683/posts/PDVcovR7Sir
> >> >
> >>
> <https://plus.google.com/113862800338869870683/posts/PDVcovR7Sir>See
> >> > last comment from Jonathan Titmus
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > ============================
> >> > antonio at hellocatfood.com <mailto:antonio at hellocatfood.com>
> <mailto:antonio at hellocatfood.com <mailto:antonio at hellocatfood.com>>
> >> > <mailto:antonio at hellocatfood.com
> <mailto:antonio at hellocatfood.com>
> >> <mailto:antonio at hellocatfood.com
> <mailto:antonio at hellocatfood.com>>>
> >> > http://www.hellocatfood.com <http://www.hellocatfood.com/>
> >> > <http://www.hellocatfood.com/>
> >> > ============================
> >> >
> >> >
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