[Pdweb] [PD] gallery section

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Jul 31, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Steffen Juul wrote:

>
> On 30/07/2008, at 18.07, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2008, at 2:54 AM, Steffen Juul wrote:
>>
>>> Please reply to pdweb to continue this discussion.
>>>
>>> On 29/07/2008, at 19.36, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>
>>>> This reminds me, we really need that gallery section on
>>>> puredata.info
>>>> to show stuff like this off...  It was so close to completion,
>>>> anyone
>>>> want to take it live?
>>>
>>> First off, i'm the slack bus-hit someone that didn't complete the
>>> gallery (ie. the exhibition) section mentioned.
>>>
>>> I have been meaning to get back about it, but decided to not do it
>>> till i had more solid things to offer then ideas. Well, now i'll  
>>> have
>>> to push in the ideas without the solid stuff. I'll be brief and  
>>> leave
>>> out (most of) my reasons:
>>>
>>> * I think the exhibition section should be discarded. It has in  
>>> parts
>>> been replaced by a goto10 project (that reach much wider in scope
>>> though) and more importantly - to put it diplomatically - the
>>> publishing scheme is not compatible with the target community.
>>
>> I don't understand what the replacement is?
>
> I was thinking about the people.makeart project, http://goto10.org/
> floss-and-art/.
>
>>> * There should instead be made weblog sync point for Pd related
>>> weblogs posts á la ProcessingBlogs. It should be simple to manage:
>>> Anyone wanting their Pd related weblogs posts to be in the common
>>> feed should supply a feed url with a "tag" for the Pd related posts
>>> in their feed. Either to a person doing the management (could be  
>>> done
>>> in turns) or if possible through the IEM/Pd.info/plone-setup thing.
>>
>>
>> This sounds very useful.  I think perhaps it could be a module in
>> puredata.info. It could also be a separate server/site if someone
>> else wanted to host it, something like blog.puredata.info.  I think
>> IEM does enough, it's good to share the work load.  Of course, I have
>> no problem if IEM (namely, IOhannes) wants to host it.
>
> I agree with that.
>
>>> * Also there should be a concise wiki page with examples of what
>>> could be done with Pd. People writing that would want to suppress
>>> there ego for a second and think about what newcomers would most-
>>> likely want to see when looking into what Pd is by what can be done
>>> in Pd. Also therefore it shouldn't seek all the outer limits but
>>> include stuff like a simple algo-composing and loop-sampler example.
>>
>> To me, this sounds like the exhibition as we originally planned it.
>
> Thats the thing, maybe. To me it's different. Both wrt content and
> publishing "flow".
>
> One thing that was broad up on the pd-list that could go into such
> exhibition was Frank's Turning machine made in Pd-data-structures,
> http://footils.org/cms/show/58. Another thing i've was keen on
> writing about was the Offener Schaltkreis installation, http://
> osk.openkhm.de/. Those two might fit into an example-exhibition but
> only for outer limit cases which, how ever cool and appropriate,
> should be kept at a minimum. I think.
>
> The publishing flow of a (concise) wiki page with examples of what Pd
> is by what is done in Pd is almost non existing. It will be a much
> static page. After initializing there will only once in a while added
> or removed an item to make it upto date with what people do with it,
> as i imaging it. An item is an example item. Fx. if there the next
> five years seam to be a trend about a FooSmerth controller in the
> "computer music scene" then it would properly be good to add an
> example about it such that people how might be interested in looking
> into Pd can see "ah, i can also make a FooLooper with Pd, check".
> This is quite different then if a completely new article-exhibition
> is released once a month(ish). An static'ish exmaple-exhibition could
> easily sit unchanged for two+ years with out a problem, while a
> article-exhibition project would be considered stall if nothing new
> happened within the same time span.
>
>> I think this in conjuction with the blogs would work well.
>
> I think too that the almost static example-ish wiki page in
> conjunction with the rapid information flow of blogs would work well.
> The article-exhibition, as i thought about it, was more like
> somewhere in between those two and the people.makeart thing - both
> wrt publishing method and content type, though leaning a tad away
> from blogs quick'n'dirtyness.
>
> To put it simple, i think, for rapid flow the publishing house need
> not be the puredata.info site but everyones own website. That's the
> blog thing. For more static "authentic" info the puredata.info site
> is better suited. This(/that? pardon  my french) analysis backs up
> the model i'm going on about.
>
>> IIRC, you basically had it setup, we just needed to launch it.
>
> True. And if anyone want to cary on with the that model i'm not
> stopping them. You might think I'm nitpicking, and maybe I am, my
> reason is that I'm concern with not wasting anyones time and still be
> able to present this kind of info to both potential new users or
> curious souls that want to grasp what Pd is.
>
> I hope i make sense. It's kind of hard to explain every side of it
> that I've thought about in the meanwhile.

 From what I understand, you are proposing to strip down the original  
idea to just this:

- a exhibition section
- use a standard exhibition template
- anyone can submit an exhibition page
- it must be about anything their own work

If so, that sounds good to me.  Other things like the blog are good  
too, I just think that we should get one up before starting another.   
One finished site, is better than many perfect unfinished sites.

.hc



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