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Nicolas Montgermont
nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr
Wed Apr 10 14:25:30 CEST 2013
cool,
good for me.
n
Le 10/04/13 11:31, Marco Donnarumma a écrit :
> hey all,
>
> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>
> I just made some edit (in dark violet).
> I also copied the previous text below.
>
> It looks good for me, I simply reformulated some sentences, trying to
> make it extremely clear.
>
> let me know,
> cheers!
>
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com
> <mailto:devel at thesaddj.com>> wrote:
>
> hey,
> I'm touring in Poland until next week.
> I'll take a look when I'm back on monday 8th, if that's not too late.
>
> cheers,
> M
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM, András Murányi
> <muranyia at gmail.com <mailto:muranyia at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> OK, I've made a light review.
> It would be nice if other people took a look too before we
> settle on it.
>
> András
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Nicolas Montgermont
> <nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr
> <mailto:nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr>> wrote:
>
> hello all,
>
> it should be nice to have any opinion on that. It's been
> nearly two months now.
> you can edit directly online or comment here.
> Best,
> n
>
> Le 26/01/13 10:37, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :
>> updated once agin:
>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>
>> i've kept the old version down there for comparison, and
>> eventually to cancel the corrections I've made.
>> Please edit directly or comment, correct!
>> best,
>> n
>>
>> Le 24/01/13 11:19, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :
>>>
>>> Le 23/01/13 20:16, András Murányi a écrit :
>>>> I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep
>>>> it as it is, to avoid extra iterations.
>>>> I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the
>>>> 2nd paragraph:
>>> I think as well it must be corrected.
>>>> the points about pd being free and being available in
>>>> source are missing now,
>>> I agree for free. For the sources, as the first line of
>>> the text says it's an open source software, I am not
>>> sure it's necessary.
>>>> as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than
>>>> vanilla+externals but it's also patched.
>>> I don't think it's specially relevant when you want to
>>> explain Pd-extended in one line.
>>>> Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but
>>>> rather "maintained" by him as it contains code from
>>>> various authors.
>>> please edit, I think it's just a question of adding
>>> "mainly" somewhere.
>>>> So, at the end, I personally prefer how this
>>>> paragraphed looked before the last commit.
>>>> All this work being quite subjective (as it is free
>>>> text not program code) *please* give some
>>>> reasons/rationale when you make change changes: why did
>>>> you do what you did, what is the improvement? Otherwise
>>>> we might just keep changing until the end of times :o)
>>> You are right:
>>> What I wanted to do here is trying to equilibrate the
>>> informations. I think it's much more relevant for a
>>> newcomer to know what is PD vs Pd extended, than to know
>>> Pd is available for IRIX. For me the text is more
>>> looking like a technical explanation around Pd, than an
>>> introduction to the Pd universe. For example, GEM was
>>> not mentionned once in the whole text, but cyclone was.
>>> In the end, it is more an introduction for developpers,
>>> than for users. What I think we must correct. It's a
>>> matter of balancing the informations, and to start from
>>> the beginning.
>>>> I don't think we need the extra paragraph about
>>>> graphical programming, but a picture of an actual patch
>>>> would tell a lot (without words).
>>> I disagree. The whole point of Pd is patching, but the
>>> word is only used once in the text in the sentence:
>>> It is easy to extend Pd by nesting reusable patches
>>> ("abstractions") or by utilising object classes
>>> ("externals").
>>>
>>> No words are written on what is a patch. And I think
>>> it's totally fundamental.
>>>> I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph
>>>> either - they are two different points (extendability,
>>>> history).
>>> If you want. IMHO, Pd extendability can be introduced in
>>> a sentence where Pd basic usage needs a paragraph. Max
>>> explanations worth a look for comparisons with pd's:
>>> http://cycling74.com/whatismax/
>>>
>>>
>>> I think as well the sentence from the 4th paragraph:
>>> The core of Pd (aka Pd Vanilla) is written and
>>> maintained by Miller Puckette and includes the work of
>>> many developers, making the whole package very much a
>>> community effort.
>>>
>>> is redundant now.
>>>
>>> It should be nice to have other opinions on all that?
>>> We are close to publishing :)
>>> Best,
>>> n
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://nim.on.free.fr
>>>
>>>
>>
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