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Nicolas Montgermont nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr
Wed Apr 10 14:25:30 CEST 2013


cool,

good for me.
n

Le 10/04/13 11:31, Marco Donnarumma a écrit :
> hey all,
>
> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>
> I just made some edit (in dark violet).
> I also copied the previous text below.
>
> It looks good for me, I simply reformulated some sentences, trying to 
> make it extremely clear.
>
> let me know,
> cheers!
>
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
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> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
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>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com 
> <mailto:devel at thesaddj.com>> wrote:
>
>     hey,
>     I'm touring in Poland until next week.
>     I'll take a look when I'm back on monday 8th, if that's not too late.
>
>     cheers,
>     M
>
>     --
>     Marco Donnarumma
>     New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>     Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>     Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>
>     On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM, András Murányi
>     <muranyia at gmail.com <mailto:muranyia at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         OK, I've made a light review.
>         It would be nice if other people took a look too before we
>         settle on it.
>
>         András
>
>
>         On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Nicolas Montgermont
>         <nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr
>         <mailto:nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr>> wrote:
>
>             hello all,
>
>             it should be nice to have any opinion on that. It's been
>             nearly two months now.
>             you can edit directly online or comment here.
>             Best,
>             n
>
>             Le 26/01/13 10:37, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :
>>             updated once agin:
>>             http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>
>>             i've kept the old version down there for comparison, and
>>             eventually to cancel the corrections I've made.
>>             Please edit directly or comment, correct!
>>             best,
>>             n
>>
>>             Le 24/01/13 11:19, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :
>>>
>>>             Le 23/01/13 20:16, András Murányi a écrit :
>>>>             I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep
>>>>             it as it is, to avoid extra iterations.
>>>>             I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the
>>>>             2nd paragraph: 
>>>             I think as well it must be corrected.
>>>>             the points about pd being free and being available in
>>>>             source are missing now, 
>>>             I agree for free. For the sources, as the first line of
>>>             the text says it's an open source software, I am not
>>>             sure it's necessary.
>>>>             as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than
>>>>             vanilla+externals but it's also patched. 
>>>             I don't think it's specially relevant when you want to
>>>             explain Pd-extended in one line.
>>>>             Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but
>>>>             rather "maintained" by him as it contains code from
>>>>             various authors. 
>>>             please edit, I think it's just a question of adding
>>>             "mainly" somewhere.
>>>>             So, at the end, I personally prefer how this
>>>>             paragraphed looked before the last commit.
>>>>             All this work being quite subjective (as it is free
>>>>             text not program code) *please* give some
>>>>             reasons/rationale when you make change changes: why did
>>>>             you do what you did, what is the improvement? Otherwise
>>>>             we might just keep changing until the end of times :o)
>>>             You are right:
>>>             What I wanted to do here is trying to equilibrate the
>>>             informations. I think it's much more relevant for a
>>>             newcomer to know what is PD vs Pd extended, than to know
>>>             Pd is available for IRIX. For me the text is more
>>>             looking like a technical explanation around Pd, than an
>>>             introduction to the Pd universe. For example, GEM was
>>>             not mentionned once in the whole text, but cyclone was.
>>>             In the end, it is more an introduction for developpers,
>>>             than for users. What I think we must correct. It's a
>>>             matter of balancing the informations, and to start from
>>>             the beginning.
>>>>             I don't think we need the extra paragraph about
>>>>             graphical programming, but a picture of an actual patch
>>>>             would tell a lot (without words).
>>>             I disagree. The whole point of Pd is patching, but the
>>>             word is only used once in the text in the sentence:
>>>             It is easy to extend Pd by nesting reusable patches
>>>             ("abstractions") or  by utilising object classes
>>>             ("externals").
>>>
>>>             No words are written on what is a patch. And I think
>>>             it's totally fundamental.
>>>>             I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph
>>>>             either - they are two different points (extendability,
>>>>             history).
>>>             If you want. IMHO, Pd extendability can be introduced in
>>>             a sentence where Pd basic usage needs a paragraph. Max
>>>             explanations worth a look for comparisons with pd's:
>>>             http://cycling74.com/whatismax/
>>>
>>>
>>>             I think as well the sentence from the 4th paragraph:
>>>             The core of Pd (aka Pd Vanilla) is written and
>>>             maintained by Miller Puckette and includes the work of
>>>             many developers,   making the whole package very much a
>>>             community effort.
>>>
>>>             is redundant now.
>>>
>>>             It should be nice to have other opinions on all that?
>>>             We are close to publishing :)
>>>             Best,
>>>             n
>>>
>>>
>>>             -- 
>>>             http://nim.on.free.fr
>>>
>>>
>>
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