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Thu Apr 11 12:38:32 CEST 2013

cool, let's put it online. I'm also to link all that can be sensibly linked.

then of course it stays open to corrections.

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New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:33 PM, András Murányi <muranyia at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think it's mature enough to go online.
> Then of course it will still be open for currections or new ideas.
>
> Linking (from words like "download", "GEM", etc etc) is something we
> haven't discussed - I'm personally for linking everything that can be, and
> for linking one topic only once.
>
>
> András
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>>  cool,
>>
>> good for me.
>> n
>>
>> Le 10/04/13 11:31, Marco Donnarumma a écrit :
>>
>>   hey all,
>>
>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>
>>  I just made some edit (in dark violet).
>>  I also copied the previous text below.
>>
>>  It looks good for me, I simply reformulated some sentences, trying to
>> make it extremely clear.
>>
>>  let me know,
>> cheers!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marco Donnarumma
>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>
>>>  hey,
>>>  I'm touring in Poland until next week.
>>> I'll take a look when I'm back on monday 8th, if that's not too late.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>  M
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marco Donnarumma
>>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>>
>>>
>>>   On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM, András Murányi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  OK, I've made a light review.
>>>> It would be nice if other people took a look too before we settle on it.
>>>>
>>>> András
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
>>>> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> it should be nice to have any opinion on that. It's been nearly two
>>>>> months now.
>>>>> you can edit directly online or comment here.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> n
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 26/01/13 10:37, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> updated once agin:
>>>>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>>>>
>>>>> i've kept the old version down there for comparison, and eventually to
>>>>> cancel the corrections I've made.
>>>>> Please edit directly or comment, correct!
>>>>> best,
>>>>> n
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 24/01/13 11:19, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 23/01/13 20:16, András Murányi a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is,
>>>>> to avoid extra iterations.
>>>>> I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the 2nd paragraph:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think as well it must be corrected.
>>>>>
>>>>> the points about pd being free and being available in source are
>>>>> missing now,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree for free. For the sources, as the first line of the text says
>>>>> it's an open source software, I am not sure it's necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than vanilla+externals
>>>>> but it's also patched.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think it's specially relevant when you want to explain
>>>>> Pd-extended in one line.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but rather
>>>>> "maintained" by him as it contains code from various authors.
>>>>>
>>>>> please edit, I think it's just a question of adding "mainly" somewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, at the end, I personally prefer how this paragraphed looked before
>>>>> the last commit.
>>>>> All this work being quite subjective (as it is free text not program
>>>>> code) *please* give some reasons/rationale when you make change changes:
>>>>> why did you do what you did, what is the improvement? Otherwise we might
>>>>> just keep changing until the end of times :o)
>>>>>
>>>>> You are right:
>>>>> What I wanted to do here is trying to equilibrate the informations. I
>>>>> think it's much more relevant for a newcomer to know what is PD vs Pd
>>>>> extended, than to know Pd is available for IRIX. For me the text is more
>>>>> looking like a technical explanation around Pd, than an introduction to the
>>>>> Pd universe. For example, GEM was not mentionned once in the whole text,
>>>>> but cyclone was. In the end, it is more an introduction for developpers,
>>>>> than for users. What I think we must correct. It's a matter of balancing
>>>>> the informations, and to start from the beginning.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think we need the extra paragraph about graphical programming,
>>>>> but a picture of an actual patch would tell a lot (without words).
>>>>>
>>>>> I disagree. The whole point of Pd is patching, but the word is only
>>>>> used once in the text in the sentence:
>>>>> It is easy to extend Pd by nesting reusable patches ("abstractions")
>>>>> or  by  utilising object classes ("externals").
>>>>>
>>>>> No words are written on what is a patch. And I think it's totally
>>>>> fundamental.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph either - they are
>>>>> two different points (extendability, history).
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want. IMHO, Pd extendability can be introduced in a sentence
>>>>> where Pd basic usage needs a paragraph. Max explanations worth a look for
>>>>> comparisons with pd's:
>>>>> http://cycling74.com/whatismax/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think as well the sentence from the 4th paragraph:
>>>>> The core of Pd (aka Pd Vanilla) is written and   maintained by Miller
>>>>> Puckette and includes the work of many developers,   making the whole
>>>>> package very much a community effort.
>>>>>
>>>>> is redundant now.
>>>>>
>>>>> It should be nice to have other opinions on all that?
>>>>> We are close to publishing :)
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> n
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> http://nim.on.free.fr
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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