[Pdweb] front page text

András Murányi muranyia at gmail.com
Thu Apr 11 15:43:56 CEST 2013


Err... picture(s), screenshot(s)? Maybe on a separate linked page?

BTW it seems the wiki is invaded by spammers (?)
https://puredata.info/recently_modified

András


On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:

> cool, let's put it online. I'm also to link all that can be sensibly
> linked.
>
> then of course it stays open to corrections.
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:33 PM, András Murányi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I think it's mature enough to go online.
>> Then of course it will still be open for currections or new ideas.
>>
>> Linking (from words like "download", "GEM", etc etc) is something we
>> haven't discussed - I'm personally for linking everything that can be, and
>> for linking one topic only once.
>>
>>
>> András
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
>> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>
>>>  cool,
>>>
>>> good for me.
>>> n
>>>
>>> Le 10/04/13 11:31, Marco Donnarumma a écrit :
>>>
>>>   hey all,
>>>
>>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>>
>>>  I just made some edit (in dark violet).
>>>  I also copied the previous text below.
>>>
>>>  It looks good for me, I simply reformulated some sentences, trying to
>>> make it extremely clear.
>>>
>>>  let me know,
>>> cheers!
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marco Donnarumma
>>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  hey,
>>>>  I'm touring in Poland until next week.
>>>> I'll take a look when I'm back on monday 8th, if that's not too late.
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>>  M
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Marco Donnarumma
>>>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>>>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>>>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>>>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>>>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM, András Murányi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  OK, I've made a light review.
>>>>> It would be nice if other people took a look too before we settle on
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> András
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
>>>>> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it should be nice to have any opinion on that. It's been nearly two
>>>>>> months now.
>>>>>> you can edit directly online or comment here.
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> n
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 26/01/13 10:37, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> updated once agin:
>>>>>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i've kept the old version down there for comparison, and eventually
>>>>>> to cancel the corrections I've made.
>>>>>> Please edit directly or comment, correct!
>>>>>> best,
>>>>>> n
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 24/01/13 11:19, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 23/01/13 20:16, András Murányi a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is,
>>>>>> to avoid extra iterations.
>>>>>> I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the 2nd paragraph:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think as well it must be corrected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the points about pd being free and being available in source are
>>>>>> missing now,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree for free. For the sources, as the first line of the text says
>>>>>> it's an open source software, I am not sure it's necessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than
>>>>>> vanilla+externals but it's also patched.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think it's specially relevant when you want to explain
>>>>>> Pd-extended in one line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but rather
>>>>>> "maintained" by him as it contains code from various authors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> please edit, I think it's just a question of adding "mainly"
>>>>>> somewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, at the end, I personally prefer how this paragraphed looked
>>>>>> before the last commit.
>>>>>> All this work being quite subjective (as it is free text not program
>>>>>> code) *please* give some reasons/rationale when you make change changes:
>>>>>> why did you do what you did, what is the improvement? Otherwise we might
>>>>>> just keep changing until the end of times :o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are right:
>>>>>> What I wanted to do here is trying to equilibrate the informations. I
>>>>>> think it's much more relevant for a newcomer to know what is PD vs Pd
>>>>>> extended, than to know Pd is available for IRIX. For me the text is more
>>>>>> looking like a technical explanation around Pd, than an introduction to the
>>>>>> Pd universe. For example, GEM was not mentionned once in the whole text,
>>>>>> but cyclone was. In the end, it is more an introduction for developpers,
>>>>>> than for users. What I think we must correct. It's a matter of balancing
>>>>>> the informations, and to start from the beginning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think we need the extra paragraph about graphical
>>>>>> programming, but a picture of an actual patch would tell a lot (without
>>>>>> words).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I disagree. The whole point of Pd is patching, but the word is only
>>>>>> used once in the text in the sentence:
>>>>>> It is easy to extend Pd by nesting reusable patches ("abstractions")
>>>>>> or  by  utilising object classes ("externals").
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No words are written on what is a patch. And I think it's totally
>>>>>> fundamental.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph either - they
>>>>>> are two different points (extendability, history).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want. IMHO, Pd extendability can be introduced in a sentence
>>>>>> where Pd basic usage needs a paragraph. Max explanations worth a look for
>>>>>> comparisons with pd's:
>>>>>> http://cycling74.com/whatismax/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think as well the sentence from the 4th paragraph:
>>>>>> The core of Pd (aka Pd Vanilla) is written and   maintained by Miller
>>>>>> Puckette and includes the work of many developers,   making the whole
>>>>>> package very much a community effort.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is redundant now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It should be nice to have other opinions on all that?
>>>>>> We are close to publishing :)
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> n
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> http://nim.on.free.fr
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
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