[PD] windows compile - one last try

[David Powers]

Unfortunately, MaxMSP does not run that well on Windows. I think I
just recounted how PD+Gem runs a webcam on PC, that won't run with
Max, for example. So without Pure Data, one is really stuck with
programs like Reaktor and Synthedit on PC. (I highly recommend
Synthedit, btw, one can develop a basic VST very quickly.) I guess for
visuals, you'd have vvvv as the primary choice.

Pure Data actually has the potential to run well on PC, and it just
needs more win developers. Those of you who hate windows should just
get over the fact that this is CROSS PLATFORM software. Let me just
say for the record, when PD does work, it works just fine on PC. It is
not the nightmare many people imply, it is simply underdeveloped.

Many of us don't use PD because "it's free software" - I use it
primarily because I don't know of any alternative besides running Max
on a Macintosh, and Macs are prohibitively expensive. It can do stuff
no other software can do. (Well ChucK is looking like an interesting
contender actually...)

If and when PD becomes "Linux and Mac only" it would be fine to tell
windows users they are out of luck. But it seems out of line to say
that users shouldn't run a cross-platform software on one of the
platforms that it is supposed to run on.

~David

On 11/10/06, day 5 <day5ive at gmail.com> wrote:
> alright,
>
> I have to say, for the most part I agree with Yves.
>
> If a user 'needs software right now for his/her gig tomorrow night' it
> might actually be better to spend money on something like MaxMSP rather
> than chasing down countless bugs on such a horrible build system like
> MinGW on a proprietary box like MS-Windows.
>
> Did you pay your $195 license fee? Microsoft has their eye on you....
> remember the EULA you clicked before installing anything? That could
> land you in a whole mess of legal trouble if you don't watch what you
> do very closely... Rather than insult the free software efforts and
> donated time of countless people it might be better in this case to
> simply spend the money on the product that assuredly works within the
> time you need it by so, as you say, you can have the maximum time
> dedicated to making music.
>
> The rationale? Well, someone somewhere gets paid a LOT of money to
> perfect things like the Max GUI objects to work on Windows. Last time I
> checked, no one gets paid in this way for developing Pd. Sure maybe
> matju or Hans get paid some money by some interested party to have GEM
> support in GridFlow or Hans gets paid to build the pd-extended
> distribution on every *nix there is, but the point is - Your time is
> also worth money.
>
> So you can either spend some money to buy a commercial product that has
> been endlessly debugged to 'perform right now for what you need it for
> at this moment without issues' or you can spend your own time donating
> fixes and chasing bugs that will no doubt help others along the way in
> the future, in your similar situation.
>
> Personally I find trying to compile things on Windows is like traveling
> through a sewer. Sure, you get to your destination all right but at the
> end when its over you say to yourself "did I really have to go through
> all that just now??? Boy I smell bad"
>
>
>
> ./d5
>
> On Nov 10, 2006, at 8:32 AM, Yves Degoyon wrote:
>
> >
> > well, i must say the first agressive message was not mine,
> > but like, 'pd is shit - i will buy a serious software'
> >
> > i just said ok for this,
> > but i didn't know you really tried on linux,
> > so it's a pity your usb card doesn't work,
> > could you give more details?
> > maybe someone here knows how to fix it.
> >
> > i personaly stopped supporting windows,
> > but that's only my choice.
> >
> > sevy
>
>
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