[PD] externals with same names

Chris McCormick chris at mccormick.cx
Sat Apr 12 06:51:49 CEST 2008

On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 07:02:15PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> On Apr 6, 2008, at 10:20 PM, Chris McCormick wrote:
> >On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 10:53:14PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote:
> >>Hallo,
> >>IOhannes m zmoelnig hat gesagt: // IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
> >>>2: don't use the full Pd-extended but strip it down to your needs (i
> >>>personally use a barebone Pd and add 3 or so libraries - i still  
> >>>have an
> >>>overview about what is loaded...)
> >>
> >>I'm sometimes thinking about making a pd-condensed fork of pd- 
> >>extended
> >>which includes only externals and abstractions without  
> >>nameclashes. ;)
> >
> >Same here! It would be good to have a distribution with a maintainer
> >who is slightly less conservative than Miller about what goes in,
> >but still keep it really tight. Maybe it would also be cool to see a
> >"democratized" version of Pd where externals and libraries must be  
> >first
> >nominated and then voted in by some requisite number of positive  
> >votes.
> >For this to work I think we'd need to have people for each major  
> >GNU/Linux
> >distribution who would do the work of the actual packaging and  
> >submission,
> >separate to the building (My aims are totally selfish - I'd love to be
> >able to apt-get install this).
> >
> >Even more talking with no action (sorry Roman),
> Check out my posts about a new ./configure based system for building  
> externals and custom distros, it would allow us to all work together.
> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-03/060833.html
> This is all fine as long as it doesn't introduce incompatibilities  
> and organizes the libraries so that it is compatible with pd-extended  
> and pd-vanilla with libdirs. Otherwise, this project would just make  
> the situation worse, there would then be three distros with different  
> library layouts.  We really don't need to return to the bad old days.

I agree it would be a huge waste and duplication of effort to not use
all the work you have done in pd-extended. Maybe it would be cool to use
the work you have done as a sort of meta distribution from which a
custom Pd could be built.

> I've been thinking more along these lines with Pd-extended anyway.   
> What needs to happen is to establish a standard library format, then  
> people can distribute the librs themselves, and they'll work with any  
> Pd.  libdir is almost there, there I am going to try to finish it  
> this month, adding support for embedded help files and examples.

Sounds interesting!

Unfortunately I won't be contributing anything significant to Pd until
at least August, when my degree and contracts are finished. Thanks again
for all your hard work!




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