[PD] Ever divorce from Tcl/Tk? (Was Re: puredata_gui_design)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On May 2, 2010, at 11:55 AM, András Murányi wrote:

>
> 2010/4/17 Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca>
> On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, András Murányi wrote:
>
> One (hard) aspect of GUI design in case of Pd is that the GUI  
> widgets are provided by Tcl/Tk at the moment, which does not allow  
> for such kind of skinning, afaik.
>
> Tcl/Tk up to 8.4 allow some amount of configuration... at least much  
> more than has ever been used by anyone in pd.tk.
>
> Tcl/Tk introduced the TkTile toolkit, for which I've heard that the  
> big new feature is that you can skin it. I haven't tried it myself.  
> Meanwhile, I'm using Pd-Extended with Tcl/Tk 8.5 while, officially,  
> this very same version of Pd-Extended is said to "not support" Tcl/ 
> Tk 8.5. On top of that, Miller still wants to support Tcl/Tk 8.3 for  
> some upcoming releases, and such things that were already becoming  
> obsolete in 2003.
>
>
> There has been talk, however, about migrating to another GUI toolkit.
>
> Talk, talk, talk, it's only talk.
> Arguments, babble, bicker bicker bicker, brouhaha, it's only talk.
>
>
> Well, lets be happy we have this wonderful ability to articulate  
> words... ;o)
> As it has been mentioned, "anyone" can start porting Pd to another  
> toolkit. The question for me here is, if Miller, Hans, and other  
> core people are interested in leaving Tcl/Tk behind, and if yes, how  
> soon?


Tcl/Tk happens to be a good GUI toolkit for making cross-platform apps  
that appear native on each platform.  From my point of view, we should  
just implement things better, changing the GUI toolkit is not going to  
make as big a difference.

.hc

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