[PD] closebang and initbang in Vanilla

[Matt Barber]

It seems like pd-extended is kaput and pd-l2ork is not (yet)
cross-platform, the new paradigm is vanilla+deken (yes?). Given that
[initbang] and [closebang] can't be implemented as plugins, I wonder if
there's a chance they could be folded into vanilla, maybe with a switch to
enable them so that they are not there by default nor officially supported,
but available to those who need them.

A guy's gotta dream big now and again.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Matt Barber <brbrofsvl at gmail.com> wrote:

> [initbang] also helps with dynamic patching of [inlet]/[outlet],
> preserving connections in the parent patch. [loadbang] won't do this (last
> I checked anyway).
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list <
> pd-list at lists.iem.at> wrote:
>
>> There's a startup flag -noloadbang.
>>
>> -Jonathan
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 11, 2016 8:57 AM, Liam Goodacre <liamg_uw at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm more interested in stopping the loadbang than starting it. If you
>> have a patch that dynamically creates itself (or worse deletes itself) when
>> loaded, it is very useful to be able to inspect the patch without the the
>> process starting. Initbang provides this because it bangs only when the
>> patch is loaded as an abstraction, not when the patch is opened.
>>
>>
>> > Message: 3
>> > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 09:41:41 +0100
>> > From: Jack <jack at rybn.org>
>> > To: pd-list at lists.iem.at
>> > Subject: Re: [PD] closebang and initbang in Vanilla
>> > Message-ID: <56936AC5.6030301 at rybn.org>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > For dynamic patching, you can :
>> > - import your abstraction in a subpatch
>> > - send the message 'loadbang' to your subpatch
>> >
>> > => all your abstractions with the object 'loadbang' will send a bang
>> > when the message 'loadbang' will be send.
>> > ++
>> >
>> > Jack
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Le 11/01/2016 04:27, Liam Goodacre a écrit :
>> > > So no chance of getting them in Vanilla then? That's annoying, as
>> > > they're both really useful objects. I particularly like [initbang]
>> > > because it bangs only when the patch is loaded as an abstraction, not
>> > > when it is opened. This is really useful for dynamic patching.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Message: 3
>> > >> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 13:31:36 +0000 (UTC)
>> > >> From: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
>> > >> To: Roman Haefeli <reduzent at gmail.com>, "pd-list at lists.iem.at"
>> > >> <pd-list at lists.iem.at>
>> > >> Subject: Re: [PD] closebang and initbang in Vanilla
>> > >> Message-ID:
>> > >> <355667468.2920260.1452432696797.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
>> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> > >>
>> > >> They are also in Pd-l2ork.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sunday, January 10, 2016 6:36 AM, Roman Haefeli
>> > > <reduzent at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sun, 2016-01-10 at 09:52 +0000, Liam Goodacre wrote:
>> > >> > Which libraries are [closebang] and [initbang] in? They don't seem
>> to
>> > >> > load in Vanilla and I can't find the relevant information in the
>> > >> > helpfiles so that I can use [declare].
>> > >>
>> > >> I'm not totally sure, but I believe those are part of the Pd-extended
>> > >> core and cannot be implemented as externals. That's why you can't
>> find
>> > >> them anywhere but in Pd-extended.
>> > >>
>> > >> Roman
>> > >>
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