Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > *-help.pd is the new standard. No one has done the grunt work of this is news to me too. since when, where and why do you think that "help-*" is older (and i guess you mean by that: more deprecated) than "*-help" ??? both ways have there benefits, and i wouldn't like to miss "help-*". mfg.a.sdr IOhannes