[PD-dev] Removing [output~]? (was [clone] with subpatches)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

I use it all the time as well, but I'm not sure what you mean. You say you
want the bang button instead of a toggle? You say you want me to keep the
bang message into it to it changes the state of the toggle?

What I said is that I doubt people were using external controls via
messages into the object to make me bother and keep the bang message.

what do you say?

cheers

Em sex., 20 de jan. de 2023 às 13:46, Miller Puckette <msp at ucsd.edu>
escreveu:

> Actually, personally I use the "mute" button all the time.  Perhaps some
> people
> don't need it, but me, I often have 3 or 4 different output~ objects in
> a patch and want to turn them on and off selectively.  (I also see
> sound engineers doing this all the time).
>
> cheers
> Miller
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 01:41:12PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> > So, I talked to MAX in private, he mentioned he'd expect a mute message
> as
> > in "mute 0" / "mute 1". That makes sense. I was keeping the bang button
> to
> > alter the state for backwards compatibility since the last one had a bang
> > instead, but maybe I shouldn't bother with it as I doubt people were
> using
> > any external controls at all with this, as I also think people will not
> use
> > it much in the future.  So I changed the mute message and removed the
> bang
> > for the sake of simplicity and to make it less "feature-creep" :)
> >
> > Find new version attached with a help file (see screenshot below as
> well).
> > If no other objection is made I can upload this to my documentation
> branch
> > soon.
> >
> >
> > [image: Screen Shot 2023-01-20 at 13.40.19.png]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Em sex., 20 de jan. de 2023 às 07:26, Max <abonnements at revolwear.com>
> > escreveu:
> >
> > > Feature-creep!
> > > :)
> > >
> > >
> > > On 20.01.23 01:08, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> > > > Ok, here's a newly design [output~] abstraction. If there's only a
> mono
> > > > input on the left inlet (and nothing on the right inlet), the mono
> > > > signal gets distributed to both outputs. That's something new!
> > > >
> > > > I have a slider now and the control is now a quartic function
> instead of
> > > > db as discussed. As originally, whenever we move the slider, the
> > > > abstraction sends a 'pd dsp 1' message to turn the audio on in the
> case
> > > > it was off.
> > > >
> > > > I kept the same control messages as the current [output~] object, a
> bang
> > > > message is still there to mute/unmute. A 'level' message is also
> still
> > > > there to control the volume from an external control (but the input
> > > > range is now from 0 to 1 and sets the slider).
> > > >
> > > > Now, I decided to propose a whole new approach for the mute logic. It
> > > > seems much more reasonable and simpler to just use a toggle button
> that
> > > > visually shows us when it is muted or not. The patch is much simpler
> > > > this way and there's no complicated logic to store the slider value,
> set
> > > > it to zero when muted and restore to the previous value when unmuted.
> > > > The slider keeps at the same position when muted, and if you move the
> > > > slider when muted, no sound is output because... well.. the mute
> toggle
> > > > is still on :)
> > > >
> > > > I then added two more messages for external control 'mute' and
> 'unmute'.
> > > >
> > > > This seems simple, better and is more versatile and seems like a good
> > > > candidate for a new Vanilla [output~] abstraction that is really
> useful
> > > > for day to day usage. See screenshot below and find the patch
> attached.
> > > > Please give me feedback to see if I'm going in the right direction.
> If
> > > > it is ok I will make a PR and update the documentation.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Screen Shot 2023-01-19 at 21.07.18.png
> > > >
> > > > Cheers~
> > > >
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