[PD] pd-gui wishlist

mark mark at junklight.com
Wed Apr 24 11:23:13 CEST 2002

This whole asthetic thing is a can of worms.

For me its simple - I like nice things - I will
spend more money to get styling that I like - I have
a (now aging admitedly) Palm V rather than a
Palm III.

But you are right functionality is key and your
comments add to that. I would add one thing - windows
should remember where you put them last I think.
A lot of other things work that way.



-----Original Message-----
From: martin pi [mailto:pi at attacksyour.net]
Sent: 24 April 2002 10:16
To: mark
Cc: 'Yves Degoyon'; 'Pure Data'
Subject: RE: [PD] pd-gui wishlist

sorry to get so boldly into the way, yet this
pseudo_3d madnesses that grasp all "modern" user
interfaces are not the right way in my
opinion. keep it plain and logical. the main
functionallity needed (at the gui part) are:

- speed and stability
- antialiasing of fonts & lines
- maybe layers would be interesting
- automatic placement of main window on
top/bottom/left/wherever (but always at the same
place and not in the center of the screen)

what makes pd so percepted unstable in the use is
the slight delay in reaction in my opinion. but
that is caused by the network-seperated approach
of gui & "server".

the foretellable placement of the main window
would be very nice at the development stage of
externals - currently im am always make-ing and
the firing up pd and the closing [ and sometimes
finding ] of the main window gets on my nerves.

after all: why should a button on my 2d screen be
2,5d like in pseudo 3d?


On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, mark wrote:

> To be honest I am not looking for anything fancy - just
> a bit pseudo 3d'ness perhaps - the odd shadow on a box
> makes a big difference apperance wise.
> mark
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yves Degoyon [mailto:ydegoyon at free.fr]
> Sent: 23 April 2002 16:48
> To: pd-list at iem.kug.ac.at
> Cc: 'Pure Data'
> Subject: Re: [PD] pd-gui wishlist
> Frank Barknecht wrote:
> Hi,mark hat gesagt: // mark wrote:
> I know its boring but the main thing I would like from the GUI is for it
> look nicer - Jmax despite not doing half the things I want it to looks
> fantastic and is nice to use.
> Yes, but as it's wishing time ;) I would also like the PD gui to befaster.
> Some patches, especially those with lots of number boxes, runa lot faster
> when pd is started with -noguiciao,
> speaking of light-speed interfaces, java is certainly  not the way.
> and if you like a lot of decorations ( which i don't,
> i'd rather a pure interface ), you're not going in that way neither.
> about decorations, Tcl/Tk is not a limitation for that,
> latest relesases includes transparency, it doesn't do
> 3D-accelerated graohics, ok .... but do we use it outside of Gem ? ? ?
> about tool tips poping up, i hope it was only meant for edition mode,
> in performance mode, it would be an impediment.
> you might be surprised i dislike useless decorations, knowing
> i did some graphical externs, but heavy graphic operations
> for these objects are launched at patch loading time
> or in the background.
> i'm not sure it's useful to update numbers or sliders each 1/1000 second.
> yvotchka.
> Unauthorized pd

martin pi

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