hi, maybe you have a connection duplicate? Try to reconnect the loadbang. Btw, Miller has just fixed this (on editor's side), so that you cannot make duplicates in .35-test23. Krzysztof sme wrote: ... > i found, that if i create a subpatch using "pd mysubp" and i have a > loadbang inside it, it is sending two (!) bangs in the beginning.