[PD] ubumenu

miso soup misosoup at altern.org
Sun Nov 2 15:14:41 CET 2003

Well i just wanted to say to doktorp to explain his need without 
comparing with max.

Max is a Lord and Pd is a Dandy right?

For me it's 2 different project and i don't see any need to compare 
them(also it's boring).
i'm really fade up in general with shareware or costware or crack and 
i'm trying more and more to move all my needs to free software and 
opensource. Now some freesoftware are accused of reverse engineering by 
some companies(Gimp with Adobe or Linux with SCO..) and there's a big 
danger upon the open-source devellopers with software patent new 
laws.Even the GNU license is in danger.This create a radicalism also.We 
must now choose between freedom and business.
This is the big part and this is why we should not compare something 
free with something not at this time.
Who is friendly and who is elitist?
Max is elitist for sure like IRCAM also and PD is friendly for sure 
like us ;-)

On Sunday, November 2, 2003, at 02:16 PM, Thomas Grill wrote:

> Hi Marc,
>> A computer is an instrument, and a software is like a music sheet.
>> I buy computers because I can't make them, but I can program them.
> You could also cut wood and carve a violin - but maybe it takes you 
> too long
> to learn and do it - and you may get stuck making violins instead of 
> playing
> them.
> I don't see software as just a music sheet - it's my experience that 
> using a
> certain software influences the musical style more than that could be
> regarded as an interpretation - and also that programming music 
> software
> takes away too much valuable time from making music - i see the 
> combination
> of computer+software as the instrument, maybe with even more emphasis 
> on the
> software.
>>> I both like lo-fi _and_ hi-fi-music when it's properly done.
>> The hi-fi concept relates to the quality of reproduction, not 
>> production.
> I don't think so - but maybe i used the wrong notion.
> There's definitely a difference in the choice of instruments for 
> playing a
> Ligeti or Feldman piece and playing folk music.
> I'm sure that "Triadic memories" wouldn't sound adequate on a bar 
> piano,
> while the latter would be ok for playing some Waltz tunes.
>>> Never ever would come to my mind that buying an expensive instrument
>>> is elitist if it is necessary for doing a special kind of music.
>> Some people can't buy what you consider necessary to create a certain
>> kind of music, so they create other kind of music because they have
>> access to free tools that allows them to create their own music.
> That's true but i have a problem with calling the "certain kind of 
> music"
> elitist just because it may be difficult or expensive to realize.
> Probably the realization results in cds or even mp3s that may be 
> available
> for practically anyone (well ok, in the industrial world).
> As stated before, for my usage, PD isn't fit for replacing Max for all
> applications - but you will have hard times trying to make me say
> fundamentally bad things about PD.
>>> and i really don't understand how someone could call a
>>> professional-grade 500$ software elitist, with their makers providing
>>> great support.
>> Some people can't spend $500 for a software, and this amount of money 
>> is
>> now enough to buy a good enough computer that runs PD for professional
>> work. I also like the fact that it's possible to get three computers
>> running PD for the price of a single Max equipped workstation.
> Yes that's great.
>> What I find really
>> disturbing is the equation: "fancy gui = non elitist". It's like 
>> equating
>> computer literacy to elitism. Scary...
> Who did that?
> best greetings,
> Thomas
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