[PD] no licensing, no money?

B. Bogart ben at ekran.org
Wed May 18 18:39:54 CEST 2005


I agree with Gerard here. The thing that would isolate "developers" from
"users" is largely due to some kind of techno-elitism.

I think all developers are users, but not all users are developers. Mind
you since "abstractions" can be considered programs just as entire
patches can be, clearly all users of PD are programmers in some sense.

Being a user who pretends to be a developers (or is it the other way
around?) I think its pointless to draw lines between groups, when energy
is better spent in dialog and building bridges.

As for bounties I don't know what to say, I've been supported for GPL
projects though artist and government grants for a couple years now. I
do think that a PD NGO that has a specific mandate (like PD education
and advocacy, organizing and overseeing workshops and conferences, and
indeed supplying funding for specific development projects.) A PD NGO
could get "donations" and even apply for funding. It would be hard to do
though, as anyone working in artist-run-centres knows.


gerard van dongen wrote:
> On Wed, 18 May 2005 15:09:55 +0200, Thoralf Schulze
> <thoralf_schulze at yahoo.de> wrote:
>> hi everyone,
>> it's good to see that this issue is being discussed
>> here ...
>>> what i don't like about the bounty system, is the
>>> idea of "competition"
>>> or "hunt" which is not really compatible with
>>> "community" to my mind.
>> I agree. Then again, the pd community (like any other
>> open source community) is probably not as coherent as
>> it seems to be at a first glance: there are the
>> developers working on the software package and the
>> users that use it for whatever their purposes are.
>> There is a fundamental difference between developers
>> and users:
> <rant>
> No there isn't, especially for something like pd which is a programming
> language as much as a program. There is a sliding scale between users
> and  programmers.
> this whole difference between devs and users is artificial and a
> product  of the closed source software industry. </rant>
> Not that everybody needs to code, but the idea that coding is a
> fundamentally different activity from using is wrong. Part of the magic
> computer mystique.
>> From this point of
>> view, bounties might be a good instrument to bring
>> developers and users closer together - after all, the
>> things that the average Joe User is missing in pd are
>> not necessarily less important than the new and nifty
>> things the average developer is implementing at the
>> same time.
> The problem is the price tag. How much does it cost to implement
> feature  z, who determines who gets the job. Can I put up bounties for
> features and  then code them myself if some institution gives money? Can
> I code features  first but keep them to myself untill somebody coughs up
> some dough?
> Bounties might work for something where there are only two or three
> developers and the program has a more strict licence than pd.
> Use the money to pay some developers to come install and lecture on the
> stuff. Start a pd development group locally. Or commision somebody for
> a  piece of music or an installation or a piece of software. Or get
> some  funky hardware for the money. Sensors and stuff like that.
> The pd community is too loose for something really official. And I
> personally like that.
> another 2 c
> Gerard
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