Greetings, When I send a [create( message to [gemwin] this prints out to the console: GemWindow Activate err = 0 It creates the window none the less but I just wanted to know if it was normal. This might be important: PD 0.38-3 osx 10.3.8 GEM: Graphics Environment for Multimedia GEM: ver: 0.90 release GEM: compiled: May 25 2004 regards, alex