[PD] Re: tk drawing in PD extended 0.38-4 RC6

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

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RC6 is 8.4.9 for Mac OS X, and 8.4.11 for Windows.  (FYI: Pd-extended  
on GNU/Linux, Tcl/Tk is not included, so its whatever you have  
installed)

There have been some other little bugs like that, but I don't know what  
the source of them is.  I guess I too have just gotten used to them.

.hc

On Dec 23, 2005, at 12:14 AM, B. Bogart wrote:

> Hey Hans,
>
> I did not check what version of tk your using in your RC6 (where the
> "ugly" screenshots came from) Looks like on linux I'm using 8.4.9...
>
> I think think its some tk bug, but damn a few stray pixels are an
> anoyance, at least for small vector b&w stuff like PD.
>
> b.
>
> hans at eds.org wrote:
>>
>> Which versions of Tcl/Tk are you using for these screenshots?  There  
>> are
>> big differences in how things render on 8.4.4 versus 8.4.9 for  
>> example.
>>
>> .hc
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi Hans,
>>>
>>> #1 It looks like my antialiasing settings for the past couple years  
>>> has
>>> simply aliased away my perception of this problem. In fact it has  
>>> probably
>>> been around for longer than that
>>>
>>> #2 I think your view of "normal" is not what has been normal for PD  
>>> (ie
>>> not on OSX) check out the following attachments, zoom in real close  
>>> and
>>> take a look. Both are the exact same patch, rendered by OSX and  
>>> linux.
>>>
>>> There is certainly something wonky happening with the tk drawing,  
>>> some
>>> elements are one (yes one) pixel off. I did notice when making  
>>> connections
>>> that even the start of the connection does not start at the outlet,  
>>> but
>>> floating one pixel above it. :(
>>>
>>> Summary of weirdness:
>>>
>>> * The "rectangle" used to draw a PD inlet is exactly one pixel  
>>> taller than
>>> the outlet. (huh??) on OSX this means we see the whole in the  
>>> recangle,
>>> exposing that it is a non-filled rectangle
>>>
>>> * The line that connects the bottom right corner of a message box to  
>>> the
>>> inset part seems to extend exactly one pixel past the inset part,  
>>> giving
>>> us a single pixel artifact
>>>
>>> * the circle in a bang is really wonky, looks slightly mashed into  
>>> the
>>> lower-left corner and is totally asymetrical, where on linux the  
>>> curcle is
>>> centered and symetrical.
>>>
>>> Yes these are very tight issues (on pixel here and there) but they  
>>> are
>>> distracting me and actually make the PD (clean) interface rather  
>>> junky.
>>> (at least at a low-enough resolution we can see them).
>>>
>>> James, could this be an artifact of the new tk drawing instructions?  
>>> Some
>>> things are strange, like the inetets of the IEM guis don't seem to  
>>> have
>>> this same issue as the "original" PD objects.
>>>
>>> I just don't understand how the stable version of tk is doing this, I
>>> guess we're the only ones left using the "canvas". *sigh*
>>>
>>> And yes Hans I agree that the connections really look nice with the  
>>> AA,
>>> and I understand your position. I think it was rather the shock of  
>>> that
>>> the AA was hiding from me that made me so unhappy with having the AA
>>> turned off...
>>>
>>> so much for consistancy.
>>>
>>> b.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, December 22, 2005 3:34 am, Hans-Christoph Steiner said:
>>>
>>>> The inlets and outlets look normal to me:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It would be nice to have the connections anti-aliases, as long as it
>>>> can be done separately from the boxes.  Anti-aliasing on the boxes  
>>>> just
>>>> makes everything look out of focus.
>>>>
>>>> .hc
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 21, 2005, at 11:40 AM, B. Bogart wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi again hans,
>>>>>
>>>>> trying to use RC6 rather than pixelTANGO on the g5 here at work. (I
>>>>> guess
>>>>> you include a g4 Gem binary in there?)
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyhow why are inlets drawn twice as big as outlets? I could really
>>>>> deal
>>>>> with the lack of antialiasing on the patch-cords, but the inlets  
>>>>> are
>>>>> really ugly.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't see this on any other platforms, and my pixelTANGO  
>>>>> installer
>>>>> does
>>>>> not do it... ?
>>>>>
>>>>> b.
>>>>>
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