[PD] pd~conf 2.0

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On May 7, 2006, at 9:53 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:24 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
>>> I don't think he was serious about that =) Ottawa, ON is too  
>>> "small" for
>>> such a thing, and I'm including Gatineau, QC, across the bridge.  
>>> I mean
>>> "small" as in not enough Pd users. Ottawa and Gatineau together  
>>> might be
>>> one million people, but if you try to find Pd users, you only  
>>> find them at
>>> Ottawa U or Artengine.
>> Graz is 350,000, and it worked there.  I don't think that would be  
>> such an
>> issue.  Plus there are a lot of people who live near enough Ottawa.
>
> Reread what I said, I said "small" as in not enough Pd users. If I
> can't say "Ottawa is too small" let me say "Ottawa does not have  
> enough Pd
> users".
>
> BTW, Graz is 240,000 people, according to Wikipedia.
>
> But those figures mean little. I have a copy of "aktuelle Kunst in  
> Graz"
> (a paper publication associated to http://www.graz03.at/). It makes  
> Graz
> look very big, possibly as big as Montréal, given the number of  
> entries in
> that booklet.
>
>>> I think Montréal is still not ready for such an event, if it has  
>>> to be a
>>> reasonable sequel to PdConvention04.
>> Why not.
>
> Funding?
>
> Actually, I know people who want to try for 2007 (or who say they  
> want to
> try...). This is a topic for the 20th PureData Montréal Users Group
> meeting, which will be on May 14, just after the Holzer&Kolster PMPD
> Workshop in Montréal (they are doing the same workshop in Ottawa this
> weekend).

To do PdConf07, the wheels need to start rolling now.  I don't want  
to step on any toes, that's why I started this thread on the list,  
but some basic wheels have started in motion for doing Pd~conf in NYC  
for Summer 07.  So if there is a crew ready to do it in Montreal for  
07, then we should work this out now.


>>> Right now I'd like to hear _why_ another Pd Convention should  
>>> happen.
>>> Well, I mean, apart from being _damn_ _fun_...
>> To me, that's not really a question that needs to be asked, but  
>> I'll answer
>> it.  So much can get accomplished in 10 minutes of face-to-face  
>> discussion
>> that would take days on the list.
>
> Why is the mailing-list so inefficient? What can be done to improve  
> the
> mailing-list? Are there affective issues? If so, we might need a  
> Simple
> Hug Transfer Protocol.
>
> The reason why I ask why is so that we can answer the question of  
> what the
> programme should look like. Let's not assume that the programme has to
> have the same format as the original. But to know what to put in the
> programme we should know our goals for the conference (in terms of
> fostering further development of the community and such), and to  
> know our
> goals we need to know why we're making a second conference... well,  
> apart
> from having a damn lot of fun, and the desire to outshine Graz or
> something... ;-)
>
>> Pd~conf 1 covered such a broad range, it took me in many directions I
>> would never have gone had I not attended.
>
> Could you please explain that experience? What were your new  
> directions?

The first thing that comes to mind is thinking about how to best  
organize the labor of many developers.  That planted the seeds for  
namespaces and Pd-extended.  Now, I don't think that we should try to  
create some simple language like Max/MSP, but instead should make Pd  
an framework that makes it easy to organize the work of many people.

.hc

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