[PD] Google Summer of Code WIKI

[Luke Iannini (pd)]

Yeah. Kyle pretty much summed it up there.  This is something I've
wanted badly since I first saw Pd.  It took me months to get a stable,
workable setup between Cubase and Pd, and even now, I could finally
take up knitting with the time a Pluggo for Pd would save me.  Futzing
with Jack and OS X IAC every time I want to make noise is a monstrous
PITA.

I've attempted building large sequencers to replace Cubase on multiple
occasions, but it just doesn't make sense to duplicate that effort
(and that's assuming Pd's data structures are ready for such a thing
performance-wise, which they are not).

So a huge vote for PluggoPd!

The Naspro project that Tim mentioned was exactly what I thought of
when I first saw this idea... I'm glad to see it is being developed;
the myriad plugin formats are a tedious situation.

Luke

On 3/3/07, Kyle Klipowicz <kyleklip at gmail.com> wrote:
> There already is a jack VST and Audio Unit for OSX, that's not the
> issue. What I really want is to just be able to run one master app (my
> DAW) and have everything else loaded from there, so that I don't have
> to do the whole 30 mins of configuring and opening corresponding files
> and settings, stored in directories across the computer thing.
>
> It's a pain to have to adjust and load setting after setting when it
> could all be saved in a nice project file in a professional sequencer
> app. For those of us who like what Pd has to offer as a bus insert or
> midi filter or general audio swiss army knife, we don't want to deal
> with multiples of files all over the place in different spots, we just
> want to have a nice compact project space that contains everything in
> an intuitive way, so we can just touch and go, and save everything so
> that we can open the project back up again exactly how we left it, all
> automation and everything stored in the project.
>
> Managing automation in Pd has not been a quick and dirty thing for me,
> and I'd prefer to leave that task to software that I'm comfortable
> with. But to have a custom synth or effect or midi chain filter or
> integrated graphics show work seamlessly from my DAW once I load one
> single project file is the holy grail to me.
>
> Having 5 programs open and trying to wrangle the routing between them
> for a half hour to get a song playing is less than ideal. A Pluggo for
> Pd would help minimize the time and frustration of this by compressing
> it all into one file that references a bank of subordinate plugins.
>
> ~Kyle
>
> On 3/3/07, Jamie Bullock <jamie at postlude.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 21:20 +0100, Tim Blechmann wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > i've been changing some emails with stefano d'angelo, who is starting to
> > > write a plugin wrapper, which is supposed to work with different plugin
> > > backends (vst, ladspa ...) ... a pluggo for pd could make use of this
> > > project in order to support several platforms out of the box. i guess,
> > > stefano doesn't have a working prototype, yet, but it's probably a good
> > > idea to join the development resources in order do avoid duplicate work.
> > > his project website is http://sourceforge.net/projects/naspro/
> > >
> > > in general, from my knowledge of the pd architecture, running pd in a
> > > plugin environment would require some non-trival changes, it can't be
> > > just implemented on top of the current implementation. which means, in
> > > some way, this has to be incorporated into vanilla pd ...
> > >
> >
> > Maybe this is a very naive solution, but couldn't we solve the problem
> > of getting audio data from PD into non-jack apps (that support some kind
> > of plugin), by writing a very simple (LADSPA, VST, AU etc.) plugin that
> > acts as a jack client.
> >
> > e.g.:
> >
> > Audacity -> LADSPA jack client plugin -> jack -> PD -> jack -> LADSPA
> > jack client plugin -> Audacity
> >
> > The simplest case would use one 'jack client plugin' instance for each
> > audio channel to/from PD.
> >
> > I've been meaning to implement this for a while, and maybe there's a
> > glaring flaw, but I can't see it right now..
> >
> > Jamie
> >
> >
> >
> >
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