[PD] "open with" on os x

marius schebella marius.schebella at gmail.com
Thu Feb 14 01:36:54 CET 2008 

ok.
since steffen got different behaviour on his computer, I did some more 
testing, and indeed with the current format given in plist for the key 
CfBundleVersion this information is useless, because osx cannot 
interpret it correctly. that means the default app is the one that you 
installed first. also, Info.plist is only read the very first time you 
start the application, so in order for the version number to take 
effect, you have to delete the app and reinstall it.
I tested two different autobuild versions, one from 20071117 and one 
from 20080117.
the one that I installed first became the default version and could not 
be changed later.
then I used a different format for CfBundleVersion (0403.71.117 vs. 
4003.80.117 [osx will only read 9 numbers!]) and then always the latest 
release became the default, no matter which version was installed first.
I don't know what a good version naming scheme would be, and also 
pd-extended does not conflict with pd vanilla or for example netpd (I 
guess because these use different preference files for plist).
so - the advantage of using CfBundleVersion would be that always the 
latest (of several) autobuild versions would be selected as the default 
app to open *.pd (and *.pat) files. I think this would be helpful
marius.



Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> 
> Can't hurt.  Let us know what happens.
> 
> .hc
> 
> On Feb 13, 2008, at 2:08 PM, marius schebella wrote:
> 
>> but the registration is system intern and I cannot access it and 
>> change it and therefore have problems when I want to use a different 
>> release version as default.
>> after googleing information on how Info.plist works, I came across 
>> this link 
>> http://www.dribin.org/dave/blog/archives/2006/08/02/versioning_os_x_apps/
>> and thought maybe changing the CfBundleVersion entry to a correct 
>> format (nn.n.nxnnn) could solve this problem, but I am not sure (I 
>> will try...). what do you think?
>> marius.
>>
>>
>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>> It's not a secret, it's decently documented on Apple's site.  The 
>>> registration happens when you start the app.  The OS reads the 
>>> "Contents/Info.plist" that's inside the app when you launch it.
>>> .hc
>>> On Feb 12, 2008, at 6:46 PM, marius schebella wrote:
>>>> true. it is apple's big secret where exactly this gets registered...
>>>> marius.
>>>>
>>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>>> Yup, fun fun fun.  I have found that it'll only register a given 
>>>>> copy of Pd if you run it.
>>>>> .hc
>>>>> On Feb 12, 2008, at 5:27 PM, marius schebella wrote:
>>>>>> the latest on this topic. I finally figured out, why osx 
>>>>>> associates so many Pd versions with the *.pd file extension. osx 
>>>>>> indexes also applications that are not in the /Applications folder 
>>>>>> at all, but somewhere on the harddrive (for example in "build" 
>>>>>> folders or downloaded files folders).
>>>>>> I only got rid of these versions in the "open with" entries by 
>>>>>> deleting the unwanted apps themselves. both "open with" and also 
>>>>>> the drop down menu in the get info dialog are working again.
>>>>>> I also think different release versions which use the same pref 
>>>>>> file, like org.puredata.plist (in ~/Library/Preferences) will 
>>>>>> always switch to the newest version by default, therefore you 
>>>>>> cannot chose version 40-2 if there is also a version 40-3, 41.0. 
>>>>>> since some pd versions use a different name for the prefs file, it 
>>>>>> is sometimes possible to set another pd version as the default app 
>>>>>> for *.pd files.
>>>>>> marius.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> marius schebella wrote:
>>>>>>> Yes, that is true, but it was the only possibility to get rid of 
>>>>>>> the double entries. at least the only one that I found.
>>>>>>> marius.
>>>>>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Watch out, I am pretty sure that it deletes all your 
>>>>>>>> associations as well, and will prompt you again with the "this 
>>>>>>>> App hasn't been run before, run it?" dialog.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2007, at 12:44 PM, Dafydd Hughes wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> boy. i'm gonna bookmark this one!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 31-Oct-07, at 12:39 PM, marius schebella wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I finally found the solution to this annoying problem.
>>>>>>>>>> you have to rebuild the launch service database (see 
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20031215144430486 )
>>>>>>>>>> I ran the following command, and that fixed it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/LaunchServices.framework/Support/lsregister 
>>>>>>>>>> -kill -r -domain local -domain system -domain user
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> marius.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> This is a bug I run into a lot.  Basically, if you have a lot 
>>>>>>>>>>> of versions of Pd, it confused the assocations system.  Try 
>>>>>>>>>>> removing random ones.  I have found that I have to clean out 
>>>>>>>>>>> the associations system from time to time because I am always 
>>>>>>>>>>> trying many different versions.
>>>>>>>>>>> I forgot how to do it now... I think it's done by deleting 
>>>>>>>>>>> some file in /Library/Caches and rebooting.
>>>>>>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2007, at 11:45 AM, marius schebella wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> yes, that should do it, but not here. when I select 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pd-extended it
>>>>>>>>>>>> immediately get reset. there must be some hidden mechanism 
>>>>>>>>>>>> that always
>>>>>>>>>>>> choses the newer version or a file where that is stored...
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no clue what I have to search for to get this fixed.
>>>>>>>>>>>> marius.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dafydd Hughes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Marius
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This worked for me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Finder, Get Info on any Pd file, Open With -> choose 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your version
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -> Change All...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dafydd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/2/07, marius schebella <marius.schebella at gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have two versions of pd-extended on my mac: pd-extended 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (0.39) and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pd-0.40.3-extended. I want all pd files to be opened with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.39 by default.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead os x tries to open all Pd files with a version 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (0.40.3) which I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deleted some time ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oh, how I hate stupid MACOS X!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway, how can I change that. I tried to use applications 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like xray,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but whenever I change the settings to the older version it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overwritten by that fascist OS that thinks it is cleverer 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marius.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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