[PD] default [output~] in Pd-extended

[Jonathan Wilkes]

After playing with ezoutput~, I have a few thoughts:
1. A [change] after [route dsp] in the dsp logic subpatch.  At least on windows, the slider motion is sluggish because of constant color messages to the tgl.
2. Allow the slider to go to zero, maybe with a [- 0.01] between the slider and the [pack].
3. I think a label for the mute button would be nice (could just be my own personal preference, though).

-Jonathan


--- On Tue, 3/24/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at eds.org> wrote:

> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at eds.org>
> Subject: Re: [PD] default [output~] in Pd-extended
> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "IOhannes m zmoelnig" <zmoelnig at iem.at>, "Pd List" <pd-list at iem.at>
> Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 6:10 PM
> The current [output~] is not easy to use, lots of people
> have trouble with it.  Scrolling in a number box is not a
> standard GUI interaction, and not particularly intuitive.
> 
> .hc
> 
> On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:41 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> 
> > Why not use Miller's output~ as the default in
> pd-ext?
> > 
> > I like the fact that the tutorials have both an
> abstraction and a subpatch for output, and it might be nice
> to have another gop that uses a slider as in your proposed
> abstraction.
> > 
> > I think it would additionally be nice to have
> something like the attached somewhere in the tutorials,
> which is just a clone of your ezoutput~ using data
> structures.  It would helpful when someone gets to the ds
> tutorial to be able to have an abstraction they've
> already been using to show as an example.  The ds stuff is
> separated from the rest of the patch for that reason, though
> maybe something simpler would make a better example (at
> least as much as possible without using abstractions).
> > 
> > -Jonathan
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 3/23/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner
> <hans at eds.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at eds.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [PD] default [output~] in Pd-extended
> >> To: "IOhannes m zmoelnig"
> <zmoelnig at iem.at>
> >> Cc: "Pd List" <pd-list at iem.at>
> >> Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 10:49 PM
> >> On Mar 23, 2009, at 4:09 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig
> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> So if we are introducing the concept of
> objects
> >> and GUI in Pd, then I think it is safe to use GOP
> objects.
> >> After all, we don't expect newbies to know
> anything
> >> about C or Tcl, but that's under it it all.  I
> don't
> >> think we should add an output~ to help patches
> that
> >> don't already have them.  I just think we
> should have a
> >> more intuitive and usable output~.  The current
> one already
> >> uses GOP, so that's not a change.
> >>> 
> >>> i fully agree.
> >>> and would like to stress, that i am pretty
> sure that
> >> most users will not have a clue about gop when
> they first
> >> encounter the [output~] module (be it a new one or
> the
> >> original one).
> >>> 
> >>> at least i cannot seem to find any
> documentation about
> >> gop prior to 3/A.05; nevertheless i think it is a
> good idea
> >> to use a gop-abstraction here.
> >>> 
> >>> fgmasdr
> >>> IOhannes
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Anyone else want to weigh in on this?  I'd
> like to
> >> lobby Miller to get this included in
> 'extra' at
> >> least, then also used in the help and
> docmentation.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> .hc
> >> 
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