[PD] Binfile (was Turning non-audio data feeds into audio)

Fri Oct 16 02:50:02 CEST 2009

Right. Well then how can I add mrpeach to the libdir_loader that runs in the
log console at startup?

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:

>
> I think you meant to CC the list.  That's a configuration that I think
> causes problems down the line.
>
> On Oct 14, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Jerome Covington wrote:
>
> How do I configure PD extended so that mrpeach and all other included
> libraries and extensions are loaded every time I start it up?
> --
> Regards,
> Jerome Covington
>  .  .  .  .   :   .  .  .  .   :
> "define audio development"
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:
>
>>
>> In Pd-extended 0.41.4, just load it like this:  [mrpeach/binfile].  Its
>> included.
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2009, at 10:49 PM, Jerome Covington wrote:
>>
>> Done, I the file named binfile.pd_darwin in the PD app package in the
>> directory path you provided. Should I name the file something else? I'm on
>> an Intel Mac. Still no audio though I can see in the log window that
>> messages are being sent when I use your binDATApayer program.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM, <alan.dubdub at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Im on a mac so everything is hidden inside the app package, which is a
>>> folder really.
>>> I go to application> right click/ ctrl click on the file and select "show
>>> content" then put the binary in contents/resources/extra
>>>
>>> If you on linux it should be work the same (being Unix and all) but not
>>> sure about windows i am afraid
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any suggestions to get binfile.pd working on windows /
>>> linux??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> marius.
>>>
>>> On 13 Oct 2009 02:21, Jerome Covington <info at thespacebetweenthewords.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> > I can't seem to find this directory.
>>> >
>>> > ~/pd/contents/resources/extra
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Should I create that directory structure myself? And if so where does
>>> it go?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:54 PM, alan brooker
>>> alan.dubdub at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > darn! I think it may have something to do with the binfile.pd which is
>>> >
>>> > an external from Mr.Peaches-for some reason the binary doesn't get
>>> >
>>> > found by PD- I attach a copy for OSX- if you add it to
>>> >
>>> > ~/pd/contents/resources/extra (don't put in in the the mrpeach folder
>>> >
>>> > because cant find it). I m not too sure where binaries are for other
>>> >
>>> > os
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Basically If the binfile gets working it is a good way to make sound
>>> >
>>> > based on computer data, as opposed to just playing the raw file of a
>>> >
>>> > jpeg -thank for looking :)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 10/12/09, Jerome Covington info at thespacebetweenthewords.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Hey, I can get the visualization to work, but not the "audioization".
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 4:53 PM, The Space Between the Words
>>> > > info at thespacebetweenthewords.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > >> Thanks, Alan!
>>> >
>>> > >>
>>> >
>>> > >> I will take a look at your binary conversion patch first chance I
>>> get.
>>> >
>>> > >>
>>> >
>>> > >> Regards,
>>> >
>>> > >> Jerome
>>> >
>>> > >>
>>> >
>>> > >>
>>> >
>>> > >> On Oct 11, 2009, at 7:40 PM, alan brooker
>>> alan.dubdub at googlemail.com>
>>> >
>>> > >> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>
>>> >
>>> > >>  it's better if you can recognise the stock price in the music,
>>> >
>>> > >>> because if you can't, you could have taken that data from anywhere
>>> >
>>> > >>> else and it wouldn't matter, so why would you call it stockmarket
>>> >
>>> > >>> music then?...
>>> >
>>> > >>>
>>> >
>>> > >>> I agree fully- the point in which  the output is true to it's
>>> source
>>> >
>>> > >>> and making something sound good is tricky and down to skill-
>>> >
>>> > >>>
>>> >
>>> > >>> I worked on a simple patch that created audio from binary data from
>>> >
>>> > >>> loaded files and I am  trying to make good sounds from the patch in
>>> >
>>> > >>> different ways continually- half the fun though!(a work in
>>> progress!
>>> >
>>> > >>> contains osx app and pd patch for other os- uses Mr.Peaches
>>> binfile):
>>> >
>>> > >>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>
>>> http://databodega.googlecode.com/files/bin_data_application.macosx%20.zip
>>> >
>>> > >>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>
>>> >
>>> > >>> On 10/11/09, Jerome Covington info at thespacebetweenthewords.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>> Excellent, Mathieu.
>>> >
>>> > >>>> I have a lifetime of experience in music to inform the aesthetics
>>> well.
>>> >
>>> > >>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>> Now I just need more on the "how", and to that extent I am very
>>> >
>>> > >>>> interested
>>> >
>>> > >>>> in process within this community.
>>> >
>>> > >>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>> --
>>> >
>>> > >>>> Regards,
>>> >
>>> > >>>> Jerome Covington
>>> >
>>> > >>>> .  .  .  .   :   .  .  .  .   :
>>> >
>>> > >>>> "define audio development"
>>> >
>>> > >>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Mathieu Bouchard
>>> matju at artengine.ca
>>> >
>>> > >>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>>  On Sun, 11 Oct 2009, Jerome Covington wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> Is anyone interested in sharing their process for turning
>>> real-time,
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>> non-audio data feeds, into music? See a great example of one
>>> possible
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>> direction, here.
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> Coïncidentally, I wrote some thoughts about it in the Pd chatroom
>>> a few
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> hours before your email, because of a similar topic there:
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> «
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> musical meaningfulness comes from meaningfulness of the data
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> beforehand...
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> basically, if you put garbage in, you get garbage out.
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> the exception to that is that a programme is a kind of data in
>>> itself,
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> so
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> the programme can be considered a kind of meaningful input... and
>>> if
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> the
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> programme imposes itself as the source of the meaning and
>>> successfully
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> downplays the incoming garbage, it can make the output
>>> meaningful;
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> but unless one is very skilled at understanding the information
>>> theory
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> standpoint of music, using random values gives you just more
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> meaningless
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> music like what you are talking about... sort of like picking a
>>> random
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> book
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> from the library of babel.
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> »
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> http://vimeo.com/5415629
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> now this is what I add to my above thoughts, this time in
>>> relationship
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> to
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> the video: without necessarily explicitly thinking about
>>> information
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> theory,
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> one can get to interesting results intuitively... one essentially
>>> has
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> to
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> focus on getting beautiful results for likely inputs instead of
>>> being
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> content with whatever fits with the description of a certain art
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> concept.
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> Any former stock-market music I had listened to sounded like
>>> crap. What
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> Patrick did was to make his programme insert so much beauty and
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> coherence
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> in
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> the market's noise, that it made it sound meaningful... actually,
>>> it's
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> more
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> like this: the programme can only output music that sounds
>>> reasonably
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> good
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> no matter the input, and the meaningless input selects one of the
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> possible
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> nice-sounding outputs. Overall, the music is more shaped by
>>> Patrick's
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> æsthetic decisions than by the stock market, and it's perfect
>>> like
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> that.
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> so, Jérôme, I would mostly just suggest that you make patches so
>>> that
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> the
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> results sound fairly good no matter the input you give them, and
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> optionally,
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> if you can make the input also recognisable in the output, it's a
>>> bonus
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> feature that can feel very rewarding, but it depends on the
>>> context...
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> for
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> feeding stockmarket data it may not matter as much, but for live
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> interactive
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> data from performers or visitors, they have to recognise their
>>> own
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> impact
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> on
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> the music, else the point is going to be lost on them, really.
>>> but even
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> for
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> stockmarket data, it's better if you can recognise the stock
>>> price in
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> the
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> music, because if you can't, you could have taken that data from
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> anywhere
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> else and it wouldn't matter, so why would you call it stockmarket
>>> music
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> then?...
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> so maybe you wanted people to explain their actual processes, but
>>> I
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> hope
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> that you will also enjoy this reflexion on the question of what
>>> might
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> make
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> processes be good or not.
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ...
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>>>
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > > --
>>> >
>>> > > Regards,
>>> >
>>> > > Jerome Covington
>>> >
>>> > >  .  .  .  .   :   .  .  .  .   :
>>> >
>>> > > "define audio development"
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Jerome Covington
>>> >  .  .  .  .   :   .  .  .  .   :
>>> > "define audio development"
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Jerome Covington
>>  .  .  .  .   :   .  .  .  .   :
>> "define audio development"
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