[PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

Jonathan Wilkes jancsika at yahoo.com
Sun Dec 6 22:41:29 CET 2009

--- On Sun, 12/6/09, Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org> wrote:

> From: Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages
> To: pd-list at iem.at
> Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 12:04 PM
> Hallo,
> Jonathan Wilkes hat gesagt: // Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> > --- On Sat, 12/5/09, Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org>
> wrote:
> > > Hey, all I said is that *I* am not the right
> person to do
> > > that.
> > 
> > If that's all you had said, I doubt anyone would have
> replied with 
> > anything other than "ok."
> > 
> > And now I'm curious: why can't you create all the
> objects in that 
> > patch?  If some of those objects don't create in
> pd-ext on win/macos/
> > linux, at the very least the patch should be changed
> so that they are 
> > removed (or replaced with ascii art).
> > 
> > But if it's that you just prefer using pd-vanilla and
> don't want to 
> > download/install pd-ext, why not just say that?
> Some history: 
> I was involved in early PDDP discussions (around 2005) as
> well, so PDDP isn't
> new to me. I dropped out of PDDP for various reasons after
> a while. Besides the
> endless discussion about template layout etc. another
> reason for my retreat
> was, that the help system started to require certain
> externals (pddp_link). I
> believe, a general purpose help file template should not
> require objects not
> available in all major Pd distributions. Help files should
> be accessible to
> everyone. I wasn't alone with this view, see:
> http://puredata.info/dev/pddp/2005-11-22-pddp_meeting.txt
> for example.  Some
> other PDDP contributors didn't have a problem with that. I
> can accept that, but
> obviously I had to stop contributing at that point. Some
> other early
> participants also dropped out, some for similar reasons
> While I'm surely guilty of some anti-Pd-extended
> puritanism, my retreat from
> PDDP didn't have anything to do with it. It has a different
> story. 
> (I'm sorry for saying "pd-extended docs" in my previous
> mail, it should have
> been "PDDP docs".)

Thanks, that clarifies some things.

So if [pddp_link] is removed, and external objects are given as comments 
in ascii art, would you have any other issues with pddp?  (I don't see 
template layout as a problem because I've been revising all the 
reference files to conform to one standard, and I can't imagine 
someone objecting to using them because they don't like the colors 
or whatever.  But the template looks pretty much like the one for 
[float] in pd-ext.)

[pddp-link] is currently used for pdpedia links, and links to 
tutorials and other pddp docs.  Currently [pddp-link] throws an ugly 
error msg in windows, although after you close the error message window 
the link works. I've been spot checking the links from help files to 
pdpedia, and of 200 help patches roughly 0% of the pdpedia links add 
anything to what's already in the help patch.  If I remove those links 
then it's just a matter of converting all the "More info" links to 
comments and voila, no more [pddp-link].

At some point, it would be nice to have either [pddp-link] in all 
distributions, or have the ability to links within pd comments 
(actually that would be much more useful in my opinion).


> Ciao
> -- 
> Frank
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