[PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these compare?

[Marco Donnarumma]

(Sorry, had a couple of days off)

I actually meant what Roman pointed out, but I wrote it in horrible english.
However, I do agree with you that both aspects are complementary.


M




On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> --- On Fri, 3/19/10, Roman Haefeli <reduzierer at yahoo.de> wrote:
>
> > From: Roman Haefeli <reduzierer at yahoo.de>
> > Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these
> compare?
> > To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: "Marco Donnarumma" <devel at thesaddj.com>, pd-list at iem.at, "Matteo
> Sisti Sette" <matteosistisette at gmail.com>, mis at artengine.ca
> > Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 8:11 PM
> > On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 11:02 -0700,
> > Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/19/10, Roman Haefeli <reduzierer at yahoo.de>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Roman Haefeli <reduzierer at yahoo.de>
> > > > Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue
> > Bidule... How do these compare?
> > > > To: "Marco Donnarumma" <devel at thesaddj.com>
> > > > Cc: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika at yahoo.com>,
> > pd-list at iem.at,
> > "Matteo Sisti Sette" <matteosistisette at gmail.com>,
> > mis at artengine.ca
> > > > Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 6:07 PM
> > > > On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 09:58 +0100,
> > > > Marco Donnarumma wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Talking about Pd It's fundamental to learn
> > how things
> > > > works, imho.
> > > >
> > > > Pd is the fundament for learning how things work.
> > That was
> > > > my experience
> > > > (and still is).
> > > >
> > > > Roman
> > >
> > > What are you getting at?  The two aren't mutually
> > exclusive.
> >
> > I am actually thinking that the two are complementary.
> >
> > Of course, it helps a lot to have a certain level of
> > knowledge in
> > dsp/math/whatsover before touching Pd. I just wanted to
> > point out, that
> > Pd very well supports the approach of acquiring theory
> > through practice.
> > Concepts such as, that every sound is composed of its
> > sinusoidal
> > partials (just one example of so many possible), sound very
> > abstract and
> > are hard to explain in words. But at the same time, they
> > are often quite
> > easy to illustrate with Pd (see 07.additive.pd from
> > 3.audio.examples).
> >
> > Of course, it is fundamental to learn how things works, but
> > how do you
> > learn those things? My answer is: By using Pd. Similar to
> > how a two year
> > old child learns the basic laws of physics by letting
> > things fall down,
> > throw them away, put them on other things etc, Pd lets you
> > explore the
> > nature of sound. I often feel the need of telling potential
> > Pd users,
> > that it's not necessary to have read many books and be a
> > master in math
> > before doing Pd, but if they do read books, it helps a lot
> > to try things
> > out in Pd right away.
>
> I see.  I took Marco's statement to mean that talking about Pd is
> fundamental to learning how things work in Pd.  It sounds like you're
> saying that you don't have to have a comprehensive knowledge of
> "how dsp works" before diving into Pd because using Pd is a way of
> aquiring that knowledge.  I agree with both.
>
> -Jonathan
>
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