[PD] loudness~
Alexandre Porres
porres at gmail.com
Tue Mar 30 23:30:03 CEST 2010
"Alex, if you do
work on this before I get a chance to, it would be something I'd use
as another dimension in my timbre-space examples."
Yep, I know you don't have them, and sure, I'm on it... could send you some
stuff even. It's actually simple. It's all based on getting the phons values
out of db and hz from the psychoacoustic data. I've seen two implementations
over the ISO226 data that are based on tables and interpolation, and another
one over Robson/Dadson that uses converting functions. Guess that's all you
need.
Since I'm also into pitch tracking and centroid, I can work on such external
too, let's trade info on direct messages, as I can easily miss the ones
directed to me in the pd-list. You also have to tell me more about your work
with database reconstruction.
Cheers
Alex
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> 1. Re: And finally... netbook recommendation (Andr?s Mur?nyi)
> 2. Re: glitches (Matteo Sisti Sette)
> 3. Re: mapping_video (Markus Demmel)
> 4. Re: OS X 10.6: unplugging headphones crashes Pd (Max)
> 5. Re: glitches + netbook // Vilson, Andr?s (servando barreiro)
> 6. JKP & a lot of people-Schrassh (JKP)
> 7. Re: loudness~ (William Brent)
> 8. Re: OS X 10.6: unplugging headphones crashes Pd
> (Hans-Christoph Steiner)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:20:10 +0200
> From: Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PD] And finally... netbook recommendation
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> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 4:54 AM, Jerome Covington <
> info at thespacebetweenthewords.org> wrote:
>
> > Are there any recommendations on netbook/audio interface combinations
> > for further development and performance using pd?
> >
> > I am at the moment OS agnostic.
> >
> >
> Hi Jerome,
>
> i'm on a not-so-new ASUS Eee 1000 HD, and happy, although this is not my
> main machine. (A Netbook is not to be a main machine imho)
>
> OS is EeeBuntu (i'm afraid i will be discontinued) with Array.org kernel
> which runs really FAST on this slow box.
>
> I've recently bought an inexpensive Burr-Brown USB-SPdif interface (output
> only) for the netbook which runs out-of-the-box with linux and sounds very
> nice. And it's very small.
> (NB newer netbooks have SPdif out built in.)
>
> Andras
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> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:05:00 +0200
> From: Matteo Sisti Sette <matteosistisette at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PD] glitches
> To: vilson at void.cc
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> Hi,
>
> I'm not sure what you're looking for - the example in the video _seems_
> like there is something truly analog to it (such as feeding the analog
> audio signal into the TV)...
>
> However you should be able to simulate somewhat similar results in Gem
> with pix_sig2pix~ and some relative simple waves (sinusoids, square
> waves, sawtooths...) added together........
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:25:03 +0200
> From: Markus Demmel <az at zankapfel.org>
> Subject: Re: [PD] mapping_video
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> Looks good, i'll definitely give it a try.
>
> Regards,
> Markus
>
> kubriel wrote:
> > hallo, i made quite user friendly projection mapping abstraction for
> > video.
> > it is based on curve3d(thanks to iohannes), but with useful and fast
> > interface, as you know from moving rectangles in inkscape.
> > i used it to make this instalation
> > http://www.direkt.sk/_/bx/feedback/13.jpg
> > this is, how the interface looks
> > http://www.direkt.sk/_/mapping_video.png
> >
> >
> > http://www.direkt.sk/_/mapping_video.zip
> >
> > mapping_video.zip, (5,9Kb):
> > mappingvideo-MAINPATCH.pd - to check whats going on try this
> > pytagoras.pd
> > vertex.pd
> > videoplayer.pd
> > stred_bodov.pd
> > video_ext.pd - this is the object itself
> >
> > it is pretty big mess, i know. also names of abstractions are not very
> > clean, i can make it better if somebody wants to modify it. it is only
> > what i used, i offer to you, with hope to help somebody
> > have a nice day
> >
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> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:43:39 +0200
> From: Max <abonnements at revolwear.com>
> Subject: Re: [PD] OS X 10.6: unplugging headphones crashes Pd
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> i can _not_ reproduce that with *any* patch here.
> the sound is gone after unplugging headphones, but disabling it an
> re-enabeling it in the Pd window makes the Sound come back on the internal
> speakers. Not the desired way but no crash or freeze either.
>
> m.
>
> Am 30.03.2010 um 16:00 schrieb Derek Holzer:
>
> > Well, in my workshop, *any* patch would do it.... no sense in posting
> one.
> >
> > D.
> >
> > On 3/30/10 3:34 PM, Max wrote:
> >> it's not fixed by the OS update.
> >> i only had this phenomenon if GEM was involved too and submitted that to
> the bugtracker a while ago
> >>
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2929298&group_id=55736&atid=478070
> >>
> >> if you can make a patch where GEM is not involved and it still crashes
> with Pd when the phone is unplugged then that would be good to post here.
> >>
> >> max
> >>
> >> Am 30.03.2010 um 02:36 schrieb Nils Sundtrom:
> >>
> >>> I had garageband crash when I unplugged the headphones yesterday, I
> wonder if there update today fixed the issue.
> >>>
> >>> Nils
> >>>
> >>> On 10-03-27 11:00 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah, I've seen some Leopard issues with audio too. I blame Apple ;).
> I think the issue is in portaudio, so hopefully that will get fixed, then I
> can update it in Pd-extended.
> >>>>
> >>>> Have anyone on 10.6 tried a recently 0.42.5 nightly?
> >>>>
> >>>> .hc
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mar 26, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Had the same problem with my students.
> >>>>> Jack seems to work well for most of them, but few still have random
> crash.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> M
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Derek Holzer<derek at umatic.nl>
> wrote:
> >>>>> Sorry for the added noise, this meant for the Pd list, not
> Pd-announce...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> D.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 3/26/10 3:27 PM, Derek Holzer wrote:
> >>>>> This is a new one to me, but four of my students can reproduce it
> every time with Mac OS 10.6, with or without JACK, using Pd-Extended 0.41.4.
> Unplugging or plugging the headphones while Pd is running freezes Pd
> completely, requiring a Force Quit. It does this regardless of whether audio
> processing is turned on or off. I tried looking at Aggregate Devices,
> however the built-in output already appears as one device. Anybody know how
> to fix this one?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> D.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:50:43 +0000 (GMT)
> From: servando barreiro <servandisco at yahoo.es>
> Subject: Re: [PD] glitches + netbook // Vilson, Andr?s
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> HI Vilson, That video you posted seems ?like mixing a little bit of audio
> signal into the video and maybe viceversa... (analog glitch). ?Looks also
> like an analog video mixer w circuit bending.. ?http://vimeo.com/8913301
> I did found a nice way of making glitches in pd ??http://vimeo.com/6932986?(minute 1)
> this is done by having two copies of the same pix and applying a very
> subtle but very fast 3d transformation [rotateXYZ] ?to one of them, for this
> task, I use the audio input..
> If you are interested, I can post an example..
> Hi Andr?s.
> thanks for the tricks!. but already pd runs quite fast.. I will do like
> that next time I install.
> F-ischers F-ritz f-ischt f-rische F-ische ? ; )
>
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> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 22:07:34 +0200
> From: JKP <jkp at laposte.net>
> Subject: [PD] JKP & a lot of people-Schrassh
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> hi
> this is a noise synthesizer.
>
> download -->
>
> http://jkp.antisocial.be/musique/JKP_&_a_lot_of_people-Schrassh.zip
>
> screenshots -->
>
> http://jkp.antisocial.be/images/schrassh.png
>
> Thanks to Sunji, Hardoff, Thomas Thiery, Impala Utopia and
> Les Objets Volants to share their patches ( and consequently i share too )
>
> cheers
>
> JKP
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:35:14 -0700
> From: William Brent <william.brent at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PD] loudness~
> To: Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org>
> Cc: pd-list at iem.at
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> Hi,
>
> Just wanted to say that my externs have some features based on
> perceptually determined pitch scales, but _none_ based on loudness
> research. I'll probably be adding something over the summer, but I'm
> not sure how general the design will be yet (I might implement it as
> optional functionality within the existing feature externs).
>
> So - a separate extern that reports a loudness value taking pitch or
> spectral centroid into account would be really great. Alex, if you do
> work on this before I get a chance to, it would be something I'd use
> as another dimension in my timbre-space examples. For instance, I
> didn't try to write another pitch or RMS amplitude object, because
> sigmund~ already gives me both of these in real-time and NRT.
>
> Let us know how it goes...
> William
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:28 AM, Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 01:21:37AM -0400, Alexandre Porres wrote:
> >> So, I got in touch with Tristan who wrote a [loudness~] object for Max (
> >> http://web.media.mit.edu/~tristan/maxmsp.htm ) and he has other
> objects, one
> >> of which has been ported to Pd already.
> >>
> >> I aksed here before, it seems we don't have for Pd. this message is just
> to
> >> confirm so...
> >>
> >> then I should get one done for Pd as part of my research.
> >
> > The more the merrier:
> >
> > Looks like William Brent's timbreID collection does similar analysis
> things:
> > http://williambrent.conflations.com/pages/research.html
> >
> > Some vanilla abstractions I wrote to do similar analysis things, too, are
> to be
> > presented at LAC2010.
> >
> > Ciao
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> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:20:43 -0400
> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> Subject: Re: [PD] OS X 10.6: unplugging headphones crashes Pd
> To: Max <abonnements at revolwear.com>
> Cc: PD list <pd-list at iem.kug.ac.at>
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>
> Try a nightly build of Pd-extended 0.42.5, I updated the portaudio
> code, which I think tries to address these issues.
>
> .hc
>
> On Mar 30, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Max wrote:
>
> > i can _not_ reproduce that with *any* patch here.
> > the sound is gone after unplugging headphones, but disabling it an
> > re-enabeling it in the Pd window makes the Sound come back on the
> > internal speakers. Not the desired way but no crash or freeze either.
> >
> > m.
> >
> > Am 30.03.2010 um 16:00 schrieb Derek Holzer:
> >
> >> Well, in my workshop, *any* patch would do it.... no sense in
> >> posting one.
> >>
> >> D.
> >>
> >> On 3/30/10 3:34 PM, Max wrote:
> >>> it's not fixed by the OS update.
> >>> i only had this phenomenon if GEM was involved too and submitted
> >>> that to the bugtracker a while ago
> >>>
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2929298&group_id=55736&atid=478070
> >>>
> >>> if you can make a patch where GEM is not involved and it still
> >>> crashes with Pd when the phone is unplugged then that would be
> >>> good to post here.
> >>>
> >>> max
> >>>
> >>> Am 30.03.2010 um 02:36 schrieb Nils Sundtrom:
> >>>
> >>>> I had garageband crash when I unplugged the headphones yesterday,
> >>>> I wonder if there update today fixed the issue.
> >>>>
> >>>> Nils
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10-03-27 11:00 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yeah, I've seen some Leopard issues with audio too. I blame
> >>>>> Apple ;). I think the issue is in portaudio, so hopefully that
> >>>>> will get fixed, then I can update it in Pd-extended.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Have anyone on 10.6 tried a recently 0.42.5 nightly?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> .hc
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mar 26, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Had the same problem with my students.
> >>>>>> Jack seems to work well for most of them, but few still have
> >>>>>> random crash.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> M
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Derek Holzer<derek at umatic.nl>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Sorry for the added noise, this meant for the Pd list, not Pd-
> >>>>>> announce...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> D.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 3/26/10 3:27 PM, Derek Holzer wrote:
> >>>>>> This is a new one to me, but four of my students can reproduce
> >>>>>> it every time with Mac OS 10.6, with or without JACK, using Pd-
> >>>>>> Extended 0.41.4. Unplugging or plugging the headphones while Pd
> >>>>>> is running freezes Pd completely, requiring a Force Quit. It
> >>>>>> does this regardless of whether audio processing is turned on
> >>>>>> or off. I tried looking at Aggregate Devices, however the built-
> >>>>>> in output already appears as one device. Anybody know how to
> >>>>>> fix this one?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> D.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> ::: derek holzer ::: http://macumbista.net :::
> >>>>>> ---Oblique Strategy # 161:
> >>>>>> "Trust in the you of now"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Marco Donnarumma aka TheSAD
> >>>>>> Independent New Media Arts Professional, Performer, Teacher -
> >>>>>> Edinburgh, UK
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> PORTFOLIO: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> >>>>>> LAB: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net |
> http://www.flxer.net
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> >>>>> how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he
> >>>>> must either change them, or perish. -William Carlos Williams
> >>>>>
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