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Sun Jun 13 12:07:15 CEST 2010
> >> How deader was art back when Michel-Ange was having a contract with
> >> the
> >> Church and the Church was a major political power ? What with those
> >> long
> >> spans of art history in which if art wasn't about the bible it was
> >> about
> >> the royal family. You can't get much more politically-controlled than
> >> that.
You should really listen to some old music. Bach, for instance, did time
in jail, because he spoke down to his employer once. And people used to
think his music was "dirty"(Not much has changed since. Same thing
happens today when the general public is confronted with something a bit
unfamiliar, and people will still today not be able to digest some of
Bachs music, because it is just too hard to listen to).
He wrote mostly religious music, and it was not always so comfortable
for the church people, since Bach liked to play really dissonant music.
He stretched the boundaries, when he could.
Of course, he couldn't go too far. There are some pieces where he goes
much further, which are not meant for Concert use (for the genereal
public). Check out the fugue in h-minor in Wohltemperierte Clavier, Book
1. The initial melody line is 20th century stuff. Some of the pieces
Bach wrote had no audience, so he wrote them for himself and anyone who
would listen. Mostly music scholars would play and study it.
People pretty much didn't know about Bachs existence until Mendelssohn
brought his music back to life in the 20th century, about 100 years
after Bach had died, though composers in Europe always knew about Bach
and studied his music with great interest.
Now of course, who doesn't know about Bach. But do they really know
Composers through all times have done that sort of thing. Plato disliked
chromatic, improvised music that had no vocals. Plato thought certain
music was morally destructive, while some other music was morally
empowering. So he wanted to censor certain types of music. At least to
keep it from young people hear it who were destined to become soldiers
They were playing "jazz" already in Ancient Greece, and Plato hated it.
He is many ways the first fundamentalist. His ideas are not too far from
any totalitarian idea-based movement.
I get a little uncomfortable sometimes when talking about art. People
can have a very sort of romantic idea about it. They talk about artists
as if they don't really exist. The artist is so elevated that a "normal"
person can't even begin to comprehend the mysteries of the artist mind.
This is not a too uncommon belief among the artists them selves, which
kind of makes the situation worse.
I think it is only one stone throw away from religion, which in a way,
any belief can be.
Wagner met with his fellow Bruckner once, and they went to pray at
Wagners grave (he had already had it built for himself).
Beethovens idea of making music for the masses was kind of revolutionary.
Now, making music for the masses is kind of selling out.
But, what has changed?
Not music. Not the artist.
Society, maybe. The relationship between the art and society.
I'm not much for commercial music, or anything commercial. But I'm not
really against it either. I'm not going to decide for anyone else. I'll
leave that to Plato Co.
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