[PD] Are there alternative means of creating patches besides the graphical editor?

[Andrew Faraday]

Same synthesis capabilities, chuck or supercollider (less real-time, csound)Similar graphic capabilities... Processing
Although I've got to agree. once you've gotten over infamiliarity the data-flow interface of Pd is definately one of it's greatest strengths. As with any language you've got to learn some syntax before learning to use it fluently. However, it's a good instant-use language. With the code operating in the same environment in which it's produced and edited. Meaning you can observe your code and debug without changing window, re-initialzing, compiling, bulding test methods or any other work-flow road-blocks like this. 
In short, the graphic interface is one of the great unique selling points of PD (and the rather more expensive maxMSP) and it's a valuable tool once you know how to use it.
It's also worth noting that it is possible to edit pd patches in a text editor, however this is a set of instructions for the placement of objects on-screen and is definitely not human readable. 
Andrew 

> To: pd-list at iem.at; lsutton at libero.it
> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 09:57:24 +0100
> From: jmmmpais at googlemail.com
> Subject: Re: [PD] Are there alternative means of creating patches besides the graphical editor?
> 
> there's also pdlua, which is much easier to build than py. if you want to  
> learn lua, it works well. the package brings some example patches.  
> http://claudiusmaximus.goto10.org/cm/2008-06-19_pdlua-0.5_released.html
> 
> > HI,
> >
> > Morgan Packard wrote:
> >> Hello there.
> >> I'm interested in using PD. However, as someone who spends a lot of  
> >> time with code, I'm actually a little afraid of the learning curve  
> >> involved with the graphical programming language! I'd be much more  
> >> comfortable creating my patches using, for example, a Python tool. Does  
> >> such a programmatic PD patch generation tool exist? I can't imagine I'm  
> >> the first person who's wanted such a thing.
> > People will probably point you to csound or supercollider for your first  
> > statement... Anyway the curve is not really so steep, dataflow is of  
> > course a slightly different mindset, although if you are skilled at  
> > coding that will nevertheless prove benefical.
> >
> > Regarding python, you might have a look at py/pyext [1]. I couldn't  
> > successfully have it setup in Ubuntu, because it is strongly tied to a  
> > particular python version. Something more 'flexible' IMHO would be nice,  
> > ideally running directly within pd would be really nice, even at the  
> > level of non-dsp abstractions to begin with (similarly to javscript in  
> > MAX)... But this doesn't seem to be of much interest currently.
> >
> > Lorenzo
> >
> > [1] http://puredata.info/Members/thomas/py/
> >> thanks,
> >> -Morgan
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