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Thu May 26 21:11:42 CEST 2011
2011/5/23 Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca>
> On Fri, 20 May 2011, Chris McCormick wrote:
>> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 05:12:09PM +0200, Bryan Jurish wrote:
>>> If forty-two trees fall in a forest and no one is around to count them,
>>> __forty-two__ trees have still fallen.
>> I am not sure about that. To think is to model small chunks of the
>> universe. Very small chunks, quite inaccurately. The thought itself, the
>> model, exists in the physical universe, as part of a human brain. In the
>> words of Carl Sagan, "we are a way for the Universe to know itself."
> Ok. You guys are confusing « construct » with « mere construct ».
> You both agree that there _ideas_ that are _made_ and that are kept or
> rejected on the basis of whether they are useful to talk about reality.
> The number «42» exists in nature in this way : it is a pattern that cause
> human minds to come up with a concept that is the number «42» in order to
> describe what's going on.
> When you look at a Salvador Dali painting, where does it exist? I think it
>> exists physically encoded on the chemical-electrical substrate of your
>> brain. I don't think it exists outside of that.
> Dammit Chris, it's a PAINTING. It's made of PAINT.
> Even when YOU look at it. ;)
> (and non-paint reproductions are made of something else that isn't in the
> The painting itself exists as chemicals on canvas, but until someone looks
>> at it, models it, computes it with their brain, the scene it depicts does
>> not exist anywhere in physical reality.
> The depicted scene is not the painting itself.
> I'm trying to say « the map is not the territory » in another way so that I
> get understood.
> you need to look at this (copy of a) painting instead :
> who is Guillaume? isn't this Magritte?
> or the modern version on the side of the Royal Victoria College of
> Montréal :
> Frankly, I think that's a misinterpretation, it's as if the original would
have been "ceci n'est pas une peinture", which is false because it _is_ a
painting. (unless it would have been a painting _of_ a painting that says
"ceci n'est pas une peinture"...)
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