[PD] Pd performance at TED

[Patrice Colet]

 If the musical structure you are playing on is opened,
also when the player is free to put whatever he likes,
you can call it an improvisation.
 You don't need to be Coltrane to improvise,
 what the hell is that mentality????


----- "Pedro Oliveira" <hello at partidoalto.net> a écrit :

> Jumping on the discussion (not a frequent poster, but I do follow), I
> must say I agree with Marco... but one question (kinda related, but at
> the same time isn't): what would consist, then, "improvisation" when
> using Pd?
> 
> 
> I mean, if you consider free improvisation the only thing I can think
> of, in five seconds, is "live coding". However, if you think of an
> instrument there are also "pre-given" structures one must follow, that
> is, pitch range, playability, timbre and so on. Roughly, with
> traditional instruments (from western tradition) you can't go that far
> away from the 12-tone paradigm (of course, a few exceptions here and
> there with guys like Otomo Yoshihide for the guitar or Coltrane/Evan
> Parker for Saxophone), but then, again... what is true improvisation
> in the context of Pd, Max, whatever?
> 
> 
> I'm asking because, like I said, I do agree with Marco - recombining
> patterns doesn't consist of improvisation for me as well... and if
> improvisation in that case consists of playing notes over the riffs
> and patterns, why use a gestural controller? Just for the sake of
> technology?
> 
> 
> Such topic interests me a lot, I'd love to hear your thoughts :)
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Marco Donnarumma < devel at thesaddj.com
> > wrote:
> 
> 
> Ingo,
> thanks for your explanation, I think to understand how he's playing.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The movement looks to me secondary - it's more like a dance movement
> and not
> too much music control.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This might be a very personal take, but if movement is secondary in
> gestural control, why one uses gestural control at all?
> I believe that effective and ancillary gestures are what reinforce our
> perception of an instrument as a musical tool, rather than a mere
> "device".
> Imho many gestural controllers would benefit of a better focus on this
> aspect.
> 
> 
> How would you play such melodic lines (like those jazz licks) - in
> time -
> simply with gestural control?
> 
> 
> Setting an array of preset chords, triggering them with multiple
> switches, deploying a timeline which holds the trigger until the onset
> of the next beat or quarter, etc...
> I guess the list here could come up with many other methods.
> I'm not saying that's trivial, I only think that it's not the "future"
> as it is presented in the video.
> 
> 
> How would you improvise on scales, pattern or
> harmonic structures? After all he's a jazz player calling his music
> "beat
> jazz".
> 
> 
> 
> What do you call improvisation in this case?
> How much is he improvising?
> I can imagine he's "improvising" with the melodic lines, but playing
> samples and presets chords doesn't match my own definition of
> improvisation.
> 
> 
> cheers,
> M
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Instructor
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Patrice Colet