[PD] [semi-OT]: Licenses [WAS] Re: expr alternative

i go bananas hard.off at gmail.com
Tue Oct 25 12:20:32 CEST 2011

look, i agree with all this to a point,

BUT, i do think that [expr] is a special case.

i would never, for example, suggest writing to James McCartney to ask him
about a license change for supercollider so you could make an iphone app
with it.  That program is obviously GNU and that's how it's intended to be.

However, one of the real special gems for me in my journey through the world
of pd, was discovering that not only was it a fantastic way to program, but
also, that Miller had issued pd through a license that i had never even
heard of before, and it was the best sort of license i could imagine.  It
was a dream come true, when i got a job to do audio development and i could
just do it all in pd because we could just embed the entire pd program
inside our app.  (by the way, i'm probably already breaking about a million
things i signed off not to talk about when i started that job.  please don't
tell anyone!!)

so, of course, the only hitch was that i couldn't use [expr]. I did find
other ways to do everything i wanted to use [expr] for.  but, it just did
seem strange that even though i was limiting myself to only vanilla pd at
that point, i also had to go that one step further and exclude [expr] from
my efforts.

for the record, i am not wanting to submit anything as an iphone app or
anything like that right now.  i couldn't even care too much about apple, as
i had one really disappointing laptop from them that crashed and burnt way
sooner than i expected and left me a couple of thousand dollars out of
pocket.  I think the days of apple standing for quality product are well and
truly over. i'll certainly never buy a new product from them again.

but, i do think there's good reason to question the duality of vanilla pd's
license, and the reason why i brought it up was the recent thread about
chip/micro patches.  almost everyone of them used [expr] .  and i was
thinking, wouldn't that be fun, just to have a little application that does
that.  And i even went as far as thinking, "geez, i'd learn a bit more C++
programming to make a little app like that i could use on my ipod and mess
around with compressed code examples like that".

but of course, without [expr] it would be pretty shit, to excuse my

anyway...was gonna type more.  but feel more like cranking up some UR
records, so that's my essay.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Andy Farnell <padawan12 at obiwannabe.co.uk>wrote:

> I'm glad you caught my drift Lorenzo.
> It was never Matt's asking that bothered me, nor the
> letter nor the spirit of the authors' licences'.
> But it was the reasons for him feeling the need to ask in the
> first place.
> The mechanism by which a simple manufacturer of hardware gets
> to set themselves up as arbiters of taste, decency, political
> correctness, code quality, economic models, acceptable use...
> ... is baffling and disturbing.
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:36:20 +0200
> Lorenzo Sutton <lsutton at libero.it> wrote:
> > I think it's in a way good that people realise some of the close-minded
> > (at the most) views and policies of Apple. And their consequences.
> > Especially in the 'creative/artistic' landscape which the company
> --
> Andy Farnell <padawan12 at obiwannabe.co.uk>
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